Baby P's Parents/Killers

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  • Xanadau0

    The Police are saying they are powerless to the council and social services when requesting info and trying to action protection, Its the biggest sick excuse Ive heard, The Police DO REALISE that the council and social services are NOT gov't and are certainly not above or below any UK law themselves.

    This case needs a high profile and needs it for Peter Connolly who obviously had no human rights in his abusers eyes, perhabs the media tries to instigate a revenge using the reading public, and rightfully so!
    It's true about what is happening here, Poor Peter Connolly had no chance and justice will not serve upon the abusers and those reasponsible, while we wait for their fate, the biggies of this country are already planning new ID's, Jobs, Homes and Faces for the abusers, The law system is failing and has failed except for those who earn from it.
    I pray to GOD that the DEVIL takes the and all abusers souls in the most horrific way!
    RIP Baby PETER CONNOLLY..
    There is a candle vigil this Sun 24th - 8.00pm-8.05pm GMT
    Everyone can take part in the 5min silence at their own quiet location.

  • Xanadau0

    When you read more into the case i.e. bbc.co.uk & thesun.com any news feeds that mention "baby p" and you read into the horrific torture they done to an 18month old child then you may understand what this thread is about and the hatred towards the culprits. here in the UK it is hushed up and quickly removed from many UK based web-sites where we are supposed to have freedom of speach and human rights, it is good to be able to broadcast this outside so that the culprits don't get away with it.

  • JazX0

    That's quite disgusting.

  • SkyPoo0

    Following Fariska's post... I also agree that rehabilitation is a vital part of any justice system and the opportunity for an individual to improve their personal standards should be made available to all common criminals. I am all for that.

    Uncommon criminals however, the kind of people who have made it into adulthood, have sufficient mental capacity to be able to secure a home and to live independently, to feed themselves and to negotiate life, but who also brutalise their own babies, with wilful and malicious acts of violence that leave an 18month old with a tooth punched down its throat and a broken back - to pick just two very graphic examples out of the 18 months of consistent physical mental and sexual abuse, torture and neglect that the baby suffered - well, those kind of uncommon criminals should not be given the opportunity to be rehabilitated. In my view they have forfeited their human rights and rehabilitation is not a luxury the taxpayer should be expected to fund.

  • Khurram0

    Christ, it doesn't take much to break a babies back you know. One short sharp karate chop and tha's it.

    • "baby's" i mean, lol, how gauche!Khurram
    • and that makes it okay does it?????feathers88
  • jevad0

    Burn them all alive at the fucking stake...actually no scrap that...death is too good for them...throw them down a very deep hole and let them slowly starve to death

    • i think that is very harsh on the poor wee babies...Spanna
    • your name's not just a handle then?jevad
  • kelpie0

    personally I think there is a bigger problem that a guy with known mental problems who is also known to "have a thing for hurting animals" is in any position to inflict that kind of horror on a child. I see no point in hurting him after the fact as a kind of punishment; I don't see what it achieves apart from a cathartic release of, frankly, impotent rage. It makes everyone a savage, rather than a few who should be identified and dealt with. Its a net that there will always be people falling through, but they will fall through it regardless of what revenge the state decides to carry out on them *after* they have committed their crimes. We need a tighter net, and that takes restructuring ad heavily manning and funding our civil services. Obviously though, that'd take high taxation.

    These threads sadden me a bit, not because I'm on some pinnacle looking down at the sad little people who feel this way and post accordingly – I have as much of a capacity to feel the neutered anger that makes people want to "hang people by the balls" and "flay" them as any one else, I just don't see the point. Eye for an eye is utterly pointless except to satisfy a hunger for revenge, people who do these things are not subject to "deterrents", burglars maybe, but not sociopaths, or broken people who are twisted up in this way.

    Anyway, I clearly hope some terrible fate befalls them, but I'd much rather they just weren't A: in a position to do this in the first place and, B: are never in a position to do it again.

    • ps. I think if anyone here were to actually witness or have to inflict the pain they want, they'd quickly revise their position.kelpie
    • Well said.Morning_star
    • here hereSpanna
  • chossy0

    Kelpie, I don't think capital punishment is an option, but I do think stripping the offenders life of any meaning is an option. If this person cannot function in society then take them out of society, pop them in a cage and leave them to rot, do not acknowledge their existance as human only feed them keep them warm and alive until such time as they die. Without allowing them the ability to contact society or play any other role in it whatsoever.

    • +123kon
    • you might as well just kill them then.Spanna
    • no they have a right to live but not in our society, if they cannot abide by commoon decency then why be part of society?.chossy
  • Khurram0

    in the olden days women, who psychologists today might say suffered from post-natal depression, used to accuse their babies of being "changelings". They accused satan of having switched their childs with a demonic clone who wasn't their real child.

    Common practice was to throw these "changelings" in the hearth fire and if the baby indeed was a demon changeling, then it would scream and start talking and asking to be saved, but if it was real it would simply burn.

    True story.

    • has the doco about 'witch children' in Africa been on tele yet?kelpie
    • Han't seen it. Ewww, they do fucked up things to kids.Khurram
  • janne760

    yeah, but soemtimes i do understand censorship. if the masses can't contain themselves over one incident (how horrible it may be) it can sometimes simply be wiser to have the media tone down a little.

    sorry i am not defending free speech to it's utter limits.. as i feel doing that is like defending sexual freedom to it's utter limits, and say that fucking with little underage marmots is just part of sexual freedom.

    capice?

    • and marmots are weee and nice.. and sometimes they can bite.. but still..janne76
  • SkyPoo0

    ^ I agree with that too Kelpie, and I also pull myself up before I start baying for blood. As much as part of me would like them to know some real inhuman suffering I personally don't think that violence is ever just, even as a punishment for violence. I just don't think they qualify for any humane treatment or compassion. Their punishment should be a cell, the basic means to remain alive (unless they become determined to die) and beyond that nothing. Neglect. They should be neglected and denied any human deceny. We place animals in cages for entire lifetimes for no reason other than for our own benefit, so what stops us doing the same to members of our own species who have behaved so horrifically to innocent baby's?

    But that wont happen. Someone will want to tell us a 'poor me' tale about how awful it is for them, and then the kid gloves will come on and they'll be reborn as reformed sinners who deserve another chance. They don't deserve another chance. They spent 18 months consistently destroying that baby and never once felt any remorse. Its not like he died in a fit of anger, or an accident, or becuase the parents were too stupid to care. They had 18 months of enjoyment out of inflicting suffering on that baby and it only ended when they finally went to far and he died.

    • Short version: What Chossy says, much better, up there.SkyPoo
  • lowimpakt0

    i would hate to be a social worker.

  • kelpie0

    I'm not too far off there, tbh chossy mate, but I think its important also to know as much as possible about the ones we catch in order to stop the ones who are out there before they offend and that means studying them in captivity. To do that may mean treating them in a way that we on the outside might find distasteful considering their crimes, not that I know anything about these things. Its a big bad complicated and compromised world, unfortunately. Human nature, nasty thing.

    Anyway, poor kid, can't imagine how a thing like that can happen, how someone can do that to another living thing. I'm out of the debate now, love to all.

    • aye good Idea use them to help us, but use them that is all no quid pro quo.chossy
  • lowimpakt0

    my cousin was a social worker. she ended becomming seriously depressed. She had to walk into the worst situations you could imagine and not be able to offload the issues when she came home from work.

    She described her job as "Hello, my name is +++++, I am here to take your child away"

  • 23kon0

    I take it people watched panorama last night?
    Thats the first ive heard of the full story and the timeline leading up to the baby's death.
    Shocking stuff !

    • I didn't watch it. I found it more traumatising than I could really deal with in the newspaper on sunday.SkyPoo
    • it was - it was painful to watch23kon
  • chossy0

    Indeed lowimpact, my flat mates girlfriend is a social worker and she has to break up families all the time, because the father is abusive etc. etc. it takes it's toll on social workers but this is part of the job I guess, they didn't sign up for a picnic, and todays world seems allot sadder than yesterdays world.

  • drgss0

    I'll be right over

    • btw that might not be their actuall addresses and it might just be someone spreading those about ...23kon
    • ... to get back at someone they have a gripe with.23kon
  • lowimpakt0

    chossy, I think my cousin had difficulty because she couldn't discuss the work with her partner and she struggled to shut things out.

    most of us just can't imagine how a mother would torture her own child...

    • not being able to talk to people is a shame chatting to people after a hard day is one of the good things in life.chossy
  • flashbender0

    I've heard that Tottenham has nothing but violence in it.

    • No no, there's prostitution and crack houses too. It's a charming lil' part of London.Eighty
    • hahababaganush
  • Khurram0

    When the Christian crusaders invaded the holy land and surrounded the city of Jerusalem, they roasted Muslim children on spits and ate them in an effort to demoralise the saracens holding the city.