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  • PhanLo1

    Nice and melloooooow

  • utopian1

    The Trump Administration Has a Multi-Pronged Strategy to Make the Planet Uninhabitable

    If you ever wondered what it would look like for someone to go Jim Jones on the human race, look no further than the United States of America in the Year of Our Lord 2019. People who study this kind of thing believe we have to cut our heat-trapping emissions in half by 2030 to stand a chance of staving off the worst effects of the climate crisis, and avoid the feedback loops that will send the issue beyond our control. Believe it or not, however, the administration of Donald Trump, American president, is not proving particularly helpful in this regard.

    While the Fox News Grandpa has periodic spasms of insanity on Twitter and the White House lawn, the termites of the state his regime has ushered into power are hard at work dismantling regulations aimed at curbing our climate emissions. The latest example arrived Thursday courtesy of the New York Times.

    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/…

    • People who study this kind of thing believe we have to cut our heat-trapping emissions in half by 2030 to stand a chance of staving off the worst effects of thedeathboy
    • worst effects of the climate crisis, and avoid the feedback loops that will send the issue beyond our control.deathboy
    • i have to really question those people studying that kind of thing. Almost sounds like they believe we can control climate...deathboy
    • also wonder why 2030 and not 2031... they smell like whiteys in fancy clothes preaching a new age salvation. especially considering past performance ofdeathboy
    • predictions and statements, let alone any proof of concept of control.deathboy
    • we get it, you don't believe the scientists are right and that you, in fact, have figured it all out. mr smart climate guy from a design forum.inteliboy
    • It's all propaganda. All of the corruption in the climate agenda with fake stats and lying and people still believe in enslaving countries to climate nonsenseHayoth
    • Our village idiot has spoken.utopian
    • Another Trump hater I see. Fuck you and deal with it. Oh and if you drive a car double fuck you for also contributing to it you hypocrite.irrelevant
    • I love the laziness..."it's all fake...all a conspiracy...all corruption....". That must help you sleep at night. Why bother with anything any scientist says?formed
    • Hell, why bother with anything logical at all, for anything. The clear disdain for the future, let alone a fellow human, is insane. I guess it's easy, though.formed
    • Easy and lazy to just shake fingers at everyone else, at the world, shouting "fake, FAKE! I hate you!! ".formed
    • An easier fix would be to convince China to cut their emission by a quarter, as they are 25% of global co2. USA only 12%monNom
    • And incidentally, this whole trade war Trump is stirring up might actually achieve that if manufacturing decreases.monNom
    • How ironic would it be if Trump turned out to be the best thing for the Climate?monNom
    • haha inteliboy im only pointing out what is obvious.if you want i'll wear the smarty pants but they're a bit snug in the crotchdeathboy
    • That's hliarious. If you wore the "smarty pants" you'd go around with your fly down all day, or possibly leave the house with them around your ankles.garbage
    • why would i do that garbage? smart enough to wear the elusive smarty pants, what makes you think id wear them in such fashion. sounds like youre sayingdeathboy
    • if i had such a thing i wouldn't know how to wear them... as the insult... but thats like calling a skinny person fat. insults work better if have a lil truthdeathboy
    • hey man, I never said anything about a pair of pants. you ok?inteliboy
    • its an expression inteliboy... assuming you are from here with relative intelligence yo should get it. if playing like u don't ... well its saddeathboy
  • pablo282

    "While the number of fires in 2019 is indeed 80% higher than in 2018, it’s just 7% higher than the average over the last 10 years ago, Nepstad said."

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/mic…

    • Too many fake photos being reposted and then these facts. So what's the fuss all about?Maaku
  • utopian3

    • Too many Royale with Cheeses?fadein11
    • Probably got taken out by a rogue windmill.PhanLo
    • Might've been blowing Boris under the table.BH26
    • or the hurricane nuke meeting went long.BH26
  • pablo28-1

    Stop Sharing Those Viral Photos of the Amazon Burning

    https://www.motherjones.com/envi…

    • deep fakeutopian
    • generic photos of forest fires are used all the time for news reports on forest fires.inteliboy
  • Ramanisky22

    • We need to nuke the forests. It's the only way.PhanLo
  • utopian1

    It's looking worst day by day.

    Experts warn that the massive fires have the ability to severely inhibit the planet’s overall health given that the Amazon spans eight countries — or about 40% of South America — and produces more than 20% of the planet’s oxygen.

  • Nairn0

    I wonder if governments pushing unilateral environmental destruction with global impact might become the focus of sanctions or even UN mandated military action in future?

    • the darker me wonders whether 12 Monkeys like activities might start becoming plausible - biological or chemical attacks on large population centres.Nairn
    • I can definitely envisage some nutter thinking it a better trade to kill a few Bn poor foreigners rather than risk consumer economies back home.Nairn
    • what gov are pushing for gov unilateral env destruction? Your hypothesis is better wether fearful rich and powerful see climate change as destructiondeathboy
    • and as such set force plans that ruins life for all not fully realizing there power relies on economic activity that keeps people peacefuldeathboy
    • that their fear and policies that make people more poor will give rise to more tin pot dictators. That will take and give and set in motion populist rules wheredeathboy
    • nothing survives and its a slow death as history has shown. and sometimes i wonder if its just man's winter. stuff dies in brutal conditions but grows again.deathboy
    • however looking at history I still think the US had the best shot and it was simply because it was new land (indians not really developed) So much harderdeathboy
    • to redevelop, but maybe a great extinction event would make it easier.deathboy
    • I'll skip Deathboy's comments. But Nairn, I reckon governments will slowly see the benefits of being more sustainable, but then there are those countries..Ianbolton
    • who can't keep up financially. Maybe they still burn coal? Do the richer countries help them out or do they get aggressive? Worrying possibilitiesIanbolton
    • The dystopian 12 Monkey's scenario is pretty scary but apparently biological and chemical attacks are supposed to be illegal!! haha (novichock, cough!)Ianbolton
    • lol at skipping deathboy's comments - I did too!
      20 hours later: https://www.bbc.co.u…
      Nairn
    • Solar's already competitive against coal in most countires, even discounting subsidies (including externalities) so it's just a matter of time.Nairn
    • Ah, I see your point. I dont see why we don’t speed up the destruction of the rainforests anyway. Get it over with and build a car parkIanbolton
    • ha skip it. you are fool enough to think its about climate change (a thing that can never be stopped) and fail to see its about political and economic powerdeathboy
    • in order to shape an ideal world largely based outside reality. You can subsidize one thing only as long as you have money, but that money will run drydeathboy
    • and all that money will be a cost on everyone and the benefit of no one, except the cronies and political elite who supported it.deathboy
    • If i want to pay less for coal than solar why cant I? Or vice versa? Why can't i choose what best works for me outside subsidies and taxes that try to shape mydeathboy
    • behavior based on politician whims that are based more solely on camping financing and not on my individual interests?deathboy
    • Thanks mate. Appreciate your inputIanbolton
    • data:image/jpeg;base...deathboy
    • ... well it was a sheldon cooper with "sarcasm?" type. and typin it the casm... made curious of latindeathboy
    • more of to tear flesh like a dog, thought maybe it would have more of a divide like chasm.. learn something new everydaydeathboy
    • but than again that russian viral lab explosion...deathboy
  • utopian6

    Fires in the Amazon could be part of a doomsday scenario that sees the rainforest spewing carbon into the atmosphere and speeding up climate change even more

    https://news.yahoo.com/fires-ama…

    • Fucking humans. And the politicians are too corrupt to care.NBQ00
    • Boycott all Brazilian beef? Arm the indigenous tribes? This calls for an environmental jihad._niko
    • don't worry, we can just buy carbon offset creditsspot13
    • If someone suggested military intervention to stop this, I would actually support that, for once.Continuity
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  • utopian2

    • relevance utopian? Are cracks in ice never suppose to change with time?deathboy
    • was there a estimated crack change that didnt go as planned? What was errors and corrections made with new hypothesis? #observationalscienc...deathboy
    • Crack splitting expert here, and this is unusual for me.Maaku
    • :) well maaku. what would would a crack splitting expert think should happen with a crack?....dont say smoke it....deathboy
  • utopian3

    "Just more fake news for the lame stream media" - Trump

    • Who are the two snowflakes, is your butt hurt?utopian
    • well not me but that video means exactly what? its a bit up their with starving polar bear photo if you remember thatdeathboy
    • for memory https://business.fin…deathboy
    • its why context matters. if your video showed similar drone footage, or any comparison or any "non-visual" emotional trigger it could be worth a pennydeathboy
    • but as it is. its pointless. good job sharing pointless shitdeathboy
    • well helping hindu media get some of google bucks producing trigger content.. god news is going to totally be all nightcrawler shit.deathboy
    • Are you commenting on every post trying to argue climate change is just normal?monospaced
    • ha mono are you suggesting climate change is not normal? do you get all the funnies in that?deathboy
  • teh2

    • This snake-like jet stream has been in place since May.teh
    • it's called polar vortex :Dsted
  • utopian2

    Five visuals to sum up Greenland's heatwave

    The sweltering heatwave that hit Europe last month has moved north to Greenland and the planet's second-largest ice sheet.

    It's triggered an extreme melt event that could rival the record 2012 season and fuelled a rare wildfire close to Qeqqata, burning since early July.

    Satellite imagery expert Pierre Markuse has today published a photo that encapsulates what is happening in Greenland.

    https://www.euronews.com/2019/08…

    • "this is fine"jaylarson
    • lol. wildfires in greenland.teh
    • we're just witnessing, and recoding. Our response to internal and locally escalated problems are suppressing a rapid and effective response to a global change.sted
    • this sucks. the next 100 years are going to be frightening.inteliboy
    • lots of people dont believe in climate change and think its an invention of the LeftBennn
    • ^ now it's more that people believe this is a natural cycle and the "left" is trying to scam us.omahadesigns
    • shoppedpablo28
    • nowhere to run to no where to hide..we all gonna burn in the firestorms..thanks obama.neverscared
    • You guys act like weather never changes then use some secret code word to justify your religion.Hayoth
    • Greenland's 52 degrees right now you heatwave noobsHayoth
    • never understood people who don't understand the difference between natural climate change and man made climate change, or liberalism and neoliberalism, orfadein11
    • socialism and social democracies. Funny it's always the same kind of people as well.fadein11
    • how does one accurately measure man-made vs natural climate change fadein? there is no lab to reproduce anythingdeathboy
    • we just have a ton of data which is quite limited on timescale. And much could be noise. fact is their is no real science to measurementdeathboy
    • with any degree of accuracy. because its based on extrapolation of existing limited data point sets that have all been pretty wrong.deathboy
    • If you can tell me the global measurement formula that separates man-made vs natural and it make sense i'll jump on boarddeathboy
    • oh and neolibarlism and liberalism all the same roses under different names. Just word invention. Same with socialism and social democraciesdeathboy
    • these things there is no real difference except who brought the word to the the table and thinks they represent. a way to try and have you cake and eat it toodeathboy
    • by calling it something different. i hate how our advertising has us always tryign to come up with new words to "redine" existing things as new as brandingdeathboy
    • and advertising. Think why I always have british way of speak. never understood how easy it is to obfuscate ideas by constantly changing wordsdeathboy
    • lol, ok.fadein11
    • don't worry guys. I'm sure a guy on a design forum knows more about the climate than climate scientists.inteliboy
    • "Think why I always have british way of speak". I think you just hate speaking properly. And notes.Nairn
    • i like british talk. simple. no new word creation for a layer cake of fuckery. im not a good typer and many times my thoughts and hands don't quite sync. i dodeathboy
    • hate speaking but like notes. probably why people like twitter. fulfillment in small easy dose of info which is mostly worthless. i like the ease and that itdeathboy
    • i like the ease and it doesn't grandstand, but sometimes the subjects i find interesting are hard to fit into notes. on the other hand do i want to post toodeathboy
    • or write elegant pieces with references and better shape and form in a medium with a lifespan of a day or two. something to think about as motivator as well fordeathboy
    • junk "science." or observation forecasting data. plenty of that happens in money markets with far less variables and with hardly reliable results.deathboy
    • inteliboy your statement questioning wether i know more than some "expert." it also means you are devoid of knowing anything. only the "expert"deathboy
    • you should think about how that fake reasoning has worked for the types of people looking for money and power. establish an inquistiondeathboy
    • being on equal ground based on experts you believe you to be correct and smart for following along and getting the masters treat. conditioning is a funny thingdeathboy
    • here's the number one red flag. the hubris that humans have the ability to stop climate change (death) or even control it. we know that is a fallacydeathboy
    • and than all argument and fear is based on that. i might not know everything about climate or every model but that base i do know.deathboy
    • and all the "scientist" ignoring that are pushing data models for own selfish interests like any analyst trying to get paiddeathboy
    • lolmonospaced
  • utopian2

    Human Civilization Will Crumble by 2050 If We Don't Stop Climate Change Now, New Paper Claims

    https://www.livescience.com/6563…

    • We also need to raise minimum wage to $20 per hour to save the planet...robotron3k
    • ^how does min wage have anythign to do with climate changecannonball1978
    • cant waitd_gitale
    • we b robotrol'dutopian
    • more concerned with a 2024 debt interest payment than 2050.deathboy
    • We need to cancel millennials' student debt first because they are all entitled first-shooter safe-spaced cunts.teh
  • deathboy0

    here's an interesting topic.

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/rel…

    See more peer studies and data, but a prime example of data measurements that ignore effects of bigger things than hard to measure man-made effects. Gamma rays effecting EM fields that effect cloud coverage. Hahaha it's all crazy. I'd say scepticism is a must in challenging such data and measurements. But refreshing seeing focus on larger global cycles. Also i still like to see measurements of manmade at .01 vs typical .1 carbon. Still not exactly sure of what popular method measures man-made carbon vs environments.Cant imagine any accurate lab style formula and any has a large margin based only on select data.

    • i am surprised by so little response. many strongly support certain evidence yet quiet to info they dont like. waiting for a signal to follow?deathboy
  • utopian0

  • yuekit10

    Massive Forest Restoration Could Greatly Slow Global Warming

    We have heard for years that planting trees can help save the world from global warming. That mantra was mostly a statement of faith, however. Now the data finally exist to show that if the right species of trees are planted in the right soil types across the planet, the emerging forests could capture 205 gigatons of carbon dioxide in the next 40 to 100 years. That's two thirds of all the CO2 humans have generated since the industrial revolution. "Forest restoration is by far our most powerful planetary solution today," says Tom Crowther, a professor of global ecosystem ecology at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, and an author of a study published Thursday in Science that generated the eye-opening number.

    The study team analyzed almost 80,000 satellite photo measurements of tree cover worldwide and combined them with enormous global databases about soil and climate conditions, evaluating one hectare at a time. The exercise generated a detailed map of how many trees the earth could naturally support—where forests grow now and where they could grow, outside of areas such as deserts and savannahs that support very few or no trees. The team then subtracted existing forests and also urban areas and land used for agriculture. That left 0.9 billion hectares that could be forested but have not been. If those spaces were filled with trees that already flourish nearby, the new growth could store 205 gigatons of carbon by the time the forests mature.

    https://www.scientificamerican.c…

    • Time to start using https://www.ecosia.o… ?Nairn
    • stop deforestation, for onedrgs
    • I think in the future, every adult human should be obligated, by law, to plant at least one tree in their lives. Like some grand social conditioning.Nairn
    • Agreed. Or one for the death of each family member. Like part of a funeral service to plant a tree over the grave.monospaced
    • "A man must build a house, plant a tree and father a son" Talmuddrgs
    • make every day arbor dayimbecile
    • that's what became the 'save the rainforests' initiative.uan
    • but if we plant too many trees and we see a decrease in carbon co2 we could get cold. But our perceptions of co2 data which is on a decent scaledeathboy
    • of what like 650,000 years... is a reasonable entry point, but considering we also calculate the age of the earth at 4.5 billion yrs. we have to always questiondeathboy
    • wether are data is broad enough, 650K (pretty broad but at what scale?) and even at that scale we see natural co2 level outside humans rise and fall.deathboy
    • Which makes absolute sense. What causes our seasonal changes from plants growing and dying and winter coming?deathboy
    • Tilt. Something we cant change. Now how about orbit + tilt? Plus source of energy and output? Can we even calculate it?deathboy
    • basically i wouldn't try to go on a china beat back the desert by planting trees kick. but net gain as trying to equal it out inst a bad ideadeathboy
    • but all at what cost?deathboy
    • There’s no conceivable environmental or any other problem with planting more trees. At all.monospaced
    • there is if you look at cost and effect mono. like suggesting no amount of money washed down the drain is wasted...deathboy
    • but please if you want to fake you know what im talking about explain the benefits of such labordeathboy
    • what has chinas cost been, the social effects of such programs, waste, or even increased carbon footprint?deathboy
    • those are real effects outside a larger seasonal unchangeable reality that effects life as we know it.deathboy
    • If there's a problem, what is it (looking at the cost and effect)? Planting trees decreases carbon footprints. social effects are only positive.monospaced
    • Planting a tree is almost free, and weather does most of the work from there. The only cost would be watering it, at most.monospaced
    • At the rate of deforestation, planting trees is a way to curb the negative effects that has on the planet.monospaced
    • So I conclude — AGAIN — there is no conceivable negative impact of planting more trees. Unless you're a dick and don't like clean air or shade.monospaced
    • There is literally NO SUCH THING as planting too many trees, as you have implied. No waste of money, no waste of labor.monospaced
    • haha planting a tree has more cost than watering... jeezus lol... guessing someone hasn't even landscaped a backyarddeathboy
    • as far as the "too many" trees that is a natural cycle outside our lifetime. Has nothing to do with us planting trees. a joke that you misseddeathboy
    • china has spent well over 100 billion in forestation efforts that are not practical and have resulted in a huge waste of funds. im not about central planningdeathboy
    • but imagine if you were a planner how you could use those funds in better way. really just a prime example of poor central planning though since that moneydeathboy
    • would have a much better chance of helping society in free hands.deathboy
    • as far as planting trees outside the china example. i think lumber trade should do it for future investment. but how about ppl in vegas? running non nativedeathboy
    • water heavy plants in drought type climates? is that good? Whats the larger costs to agriculture and food. The central planned argument is always funny in howdeathboy
    • such small thoughts never worked out. They check out after the dopamine rush of a "good deed" and never look backdeathboy
    • "china has spent well over 100 billion in forestation efforts that are not practical and have resulted in a huge waste of funds."
      Citation, please?
      Nairn
    • imho one of China's next big exports will be 'environmental rejuvenation tech'. Thye've made huge strides reclaiming deserts and aforestation.Nairn
    • They've had to, because historical national policies destroyed huge tracts of their environment. Fixing this, no matter how costly, will always be profitable.Nairn
    • As for your assertions about water waste, that's bullshit too. Rain over land interiors mostly comes from natural particulate emissions from trees.Nairn
    • Global warming means more water in the atmosphere. More trees means more water over land. It's an entirely virtuous cycle.Nairn
    • nairn https://royalsociety…deathboy
    • think i read it in the economist though. more about the waste and effects of money spent down the soclal pipeline has largely been a waste with no good resultsdeathboy
    • "Global warming means more water in the atmosphere. More trees means more water over land. It's an entirely virtuous cycle." huh?deathboy
    • by this you are asserting global warming is good and the more we have the better? as far as water usage mention it is focused on man usage not natural particuladeathboy
    • the trees china are planting don;t get natural water. nor vegas landscapes (why a lot art artificial turf) but the focus was more directed at mans controldeathboy
    • and waste in thinking it can control or know better. especially politcians with little no background chasing votesdeathboy
    • "because historical national policies destroyed huge tracts of their environment. Fixing this, no matter how costly, will always be profitable"deathboy
    • how so? example? profitable on politician public dime or by peer free trade?deathboy
    • planting a tree isn't a big cost beyond water, not at all ... and yes, not only have I landscaped a yard, I do so in the one I fucking OWN and plant trees inmonospaced
    • once again, there is NO CONCIEVABLE negative impact to [planting more trees, not economically, environmentally ,socially, or any other way imaginable.monospaced
    • Private citizens planting trees puts NO COST AT ALL on a society, the government or regulatory bodies. And your argument about a dry desert is irrelevantmonospaced
    • because nobody said or even implied it would work in all climatesmonospaced
    • If people planted more trees, those would add to the planet's ecosystem in a positive way, offsetting rapid deforestation ... so it's only a good thingmonospaced
    • so yeah, man CAN and SHOULD plant more trees, FOR the benefit of the environment itself, because it is real and measurablemonospaced
    • well mono I'm totally fine with private enterprise planting trees and absorbing costs associated with them. However private vs public is quite a differencedeathboy
    • i never said that was a bad thing. Just stating how public policy following such thinking creates waste. and pointing out cycles. https://phys.org/new…deathboy
    • Outside man popular theory is warming periods produce more vegetation but peak in pulling out too much co2 causing coolingdeathboy
    • jsut sciencedeathboy
  • utopian1

    'Unbelievable:' All-time record heat set to bake Alaska....heat wave to bake Alaska, keep fire danger high into early next week

    https://news.yahoo.com/apos-unbe…

    • looks like a freak jet stream, hopefully a one-off_niko