Paris, France
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- NBQ007
- quite normal for europe in times of protestsuan
- They look strong enoughhelloeatbreathedrive
- that's someones job, someones business and someones xmas ruined.shapesalad
- xmas is ruined because some rich cunt didn't get another bvlgari watch?Milan
- Well as a designer, imagine you can't work, because you need to board up your iMac as some people in yellow vests are marching on your desk.shapesalad
- ^ well as a person with a working class background who had to start working in a factory at 14 to help my parents...oey
- ...and myself, someone who worked all the way until finished my second design degree I still prefer the people over my mac.oey
- and the right to protest. and if a protest turns violent, well isn't it a form of violence how the elites rule the world? I'm not saying violence will solve itoey
- but it can happen. and these brands, well most can actually go fuck themselves.oey
- besides, it doesn't seem they will quit business at all. so what's the issue, what's your point, where do you stand, which side are you taking, etc...oey
- i didn't mean "you" particularly.oey
- Paris est mortutopian
- i bet oey's got QBN stickers on his guillotine.hotroddy
- boohoo, oey. I was washing dishes at 12 and my dad didn't own a pair of shoes until he was 18. being WC doesn't entitle one to be a cuntGnash
- Looting isn't a prerequisite when protesting. (and they're not just targeting lux brands)Gnash
- "...and if a protest turns violent, well isn't it a form of violence how the elites rule the world?" So you get to smash stuff because "elites"?cannonball1978
- hey Gnash, i didn't defend anyone being a cunt.oey
- besides I was not criticizing anyone to use wood planks either defending looting.oey
- I was not defending or justifying violence. I wrote "I'm not saying violence will solve it". I think some people read with filter glasses, like you know...oey
- stereotyping :-)oey
- my Dad went to work in a factory when he was 12 and had to walk 15km along woods barefoot...I can't imagine myself in such a situation.oey
- one time I was in a demo throwing pavement stones in at the police vans with reinforcements when i was 15oey
- when i looked to my side my father was right there too...that was weird.oey
- anyway...yes, I had t a guillotine but Tatcher is dead already so I sold mine to Morrisseyoey
- Dynamite will doi_was
- somehow you get to smash stuff because of elites yes...I wonder how this is connected...I mean social injustice, privilegeoey
- where do the elites become their money, how does capitalism works, which are the consequences?oey
- how does exploration work...why do people have to work 100 hours a week to feed their children and put them to schooloey
- or you believe that people are rich and that's it? and other people are poor because you know it's how things are?oey
- who profits from exploitation? poor designers that can't work at Saturdays cause of the yellow vests...oey
- buuuuuu!....oey
- lets organize a demonstration in favor of the designers and hopefully we don't smash windows. okay, designers that work on apple can smash windows.oey
- @ Gnash sorry to hear that you had to go wash dishes at 12...must have been hard for you.oey
- all those dishes piling up for 12 years waiting for you ;-)oey
- @ i_was: now we're talking!oey
- I best it's the an tifaoey
- to make something else clear, I don't even know if I defend the yellow vest protest at all. I see lots of confusion. and nationalism and populism in the mixoey
- I shouldn't have written so much, it's not even worth it. probably will be taken too serious and misinterpreted. oh fuck it!oey
- If you're a designer, do you really believe smashing other peoples stuff solves your pain? Do you really believe there is some virtue or valu in your suffering?cannonball1978
- Sorry, why didn't people in the 50s have shoes??Nairn
- ^ tiny village, poor farmers. first shoes when he left the country and came to canadaGnash
- All because they wanted to raise gas taxes to take a step in curbing green house emissions???wagshaft
- drgs7
It worked, French PM to announce suspension of fuel tax hikes
https://www.afp.com/en/news/15/f…- cheese eating surrender monkeyhans_glib
- people used to protest against hunger and war, now they tear cities apart for lower fuel prices of their shiny new expensive carsmekk
- this and get cheaper diesel for their old clunky peasant tractors, don't forgetOBBTKN
- yeah nice, riot down everything and conserve the right to pollute. fucking dickheads.mekk
- I get your point, but, first, change the energy model or get a REAL working alternative to fosil fuels, and accesible to this people...OBBTKN
- Don't crush them with expensive fuel prices, knowing they've not got alternatives now, and talk about you're doing this for environmental reasonsOBBTKN
- Macron insists on taxes for Tech Giants like Facebook, Amazon and co. lets see how long? News say protesters get strongly acquisition over facebook. Connection?api
- +1 OBBTKNNairn
- mekk, it has more to do with people being unfairly taxed. Those revolting are far from being able to buy a "shiny new car".dyspl
- I bet most of them don't even have a car.mekk
- at least they surrendered to their own people this time.Gnash
- And that's how you protest to get shit done.Maaku
- unless you live inner city in paris, acar is very much needed. and these protests go way beyond that taxe. it's years of mistakes and austerity governing...dyspl
- This is only a temporary delay in the tax isn't it?yuekit
- One thing that stands out to me is that for the past couple years there has been a lot of handwringing over populism and how to address it...yuekit
- elites admitting they failed to address the concerns of the middle class etc. But now years later, they still have no real solutions.yuekit
- So Macron is a pushover?chukkaphob
- French know how to Party - I'll give them that!mugwart
- since 1798api
- PhanLo10
- lolshapesalad
- HahahaOBBTKN
- ExcellentSimonFFM
- waldo @4:58sted
- NBQ009
@ set, it's not so much about religion or the catholic priests pedo crimes... to me it's about history, culture, architecture, art, human creativity and achievement.
Yes there's maybe more important issues than losing some historical symbols & buildings but nevertheless.
The world would be a sad place if we didn't have such historical pieces and only rubbish in the sea and other environmental disasters.
- All set wanted to say is the World should act as quickly as some did for Notre-Dame but for the Earth. And he's totally right.Bennn
- Problem with environment, its not as dramatic as a big fire. People dont really see it. Thats why we're not moving quickly to save the planet.Bennn
- people will react when problems will touch them directly on a daily basis.Bennn
- its gonna be too late tho.Bennn
- if the mona lisa got destroyed in a fire, we could pay someone $100 million to recreate it but it wouldn't be the mona lisa._niko
- it's the same human urge to renew and rebuild that will be needed to save the planet. Paedo-satanic monuments and the rainforest have that in commonFax_Benson
- Thank you Bennn :)set
- Humans are busy renovating the kitchen while unaware that the whole house is burning down.set
- ARE YOU COMPARING NOTRE DAME TO A KITCHEN!!!!!???? jk ;)Bennn
- I remember that time I found my neighbour's stash of Medieval Churches Monthly hidden in the shed, thanks to set's analysis it all makes sense now.deadsperm
- Dear Catholics, if you can't take care of the one you already had, you don't deserve another one.imbecile
- NBQ001
Such a smart ass, he always has an advice.
- "flying water tankers"NBQ00
- timelinenb
- Yeah sending 6t of water on a fragilised wood structure in an urban area is very logicBennn
- multilevel structure with lots of covered spaces, what also burns at a much higher temperature than a bushfire.sted
- at least he didn't imply they should have prevented it by sweeping moremonospaced
- God always hated that church.utopian
- It's the French 911robotron3k
- No Robo, u moron. Its another careless contractor during renovations as always.tank02
- robo, you don't seriously believe it was some muslim terrorist who did this?NBQ00
- he is trying to say is that for the french people this event is like 911 to you in the USsted
- +wassted
- yeah, we get it sted ... he's trying to say it is a terrorist attackmonospaced
- :((( like 30 mins ago I was thinking about how to explain imbecile few posts bellow,why nobody will forget this,my first idea was 911, quickly changed my mindsted
- because it's a stupid idea to start this conversation about terrorism.sted
- yeah, to the USA, 911 is purely terrorism, not just a great lossmonospaced
- The only reason I said 911 is because I also watched the towers burn all day long from Brooklyn and it reminded me of the same scene.robotron3k
- I wonder if Trump would ever say anything like this about black churches that have been set on fire in the south.fooler
- first he thought- let´s build a wall around the fire , but then came this great idea with the flying water tankers,..you all learn that at trump univsersity?neverscared
- Trump carefully watched the Muslims from Eiffel Tower cheer and dance as the church burned down...true story.utopian
- Damn you Elon! I told you quit talking out your ass on twitter in hopes to confuse bots to boost stock prices!deathboy
- mr hindsightmilfhunter
- NBQ001
Apple will help fund the rebuilding of Notre-Dame de Paris, says Tim Cook: https://9to5mac.com/2019/04/16/a…
So many rich individuals and corporations donating huge sums. I must agree it's rather weird that they come forward now and not as much when it's about other issues.
- https://twitter.com/…Bluejam
- yep. didn't see apple offering to rebuild glrenfell towershapesalad
- despite people losing their homes and some slowing being cooked to death.shapesalad
- * grenfell towershapesalad
- I guess it looks good to donate Money to rebuild a church, when most people in Europe are not religious...shapesalad
- I'd like to see them pay their billions in taxes. Spending a few million is a nice, cheap, pr bumpformed
- set was so right yesterdayBennn
- Apple has been considered a philanthropic leader for a couple of years now. Mostly toward education, though.monospaced
- Masons, unite.pablo28
- good for Apple pr. if Notre Dame is to be rebuilt, let Japan do it. It will be perfect.imbecile
- I wonder if Apple negotiated a way to get an Apple Store inside.monospaced
- all PR -umbee54
- Pay it forward.umbee54
- You think they will sell more products and services because they will help rebuild and restore Notre Dame?monospaced
- only you said that.imbecile
- People are without clean water in Flint Michigan, Hundreds are living in horrible conditions in Puerto Rico. Fuck'em, let's rebuild a church.jmckinno
- +1000 jmckinno, couldn't agree more_niko
- but let's take it further and raze every fucking church, mosque and synagogue on the planet and replace them with schools, tech hubs, art studios, music studios_niko
- even just green space and maybe this planet will be better. but no, let's build temples to our idiocy. My imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend_niko
- ...and I'll fucking murder you if you don't agree._niko
- @imbecile, I was asking because umbee54 said it was "all PR," which made me wonder: to what end? sales?monospaced
- Notre-Dame de Paris = 1
Flint, Michigan = 0utopian - all press is good press. they're just keeping their name in people's mouths. coat-tailing tragedy with a drop in the bucket donationimbecile
- There has been a lot of bad news around Apple lately, so yeah, good timing for some super cheap, super valuable PR. It'll go down in history books.formed
- Housing the homeless in SF won't.formed
- If there was bad news about Apple recently, it didn't seem to affect their sales or their stock price at all. Not sure they needed any good PR, but okay.monospaced
- set0
This building represents a religion that raped and pillaged pretty much the whole world, and was responsible for genocide and mass murder for centuries. Who gives a fuck if it's destroyed. I mean really. How many miles of rainforest are we destroying every day? How many tonnes of rubbish are we dumping in the sea every day?
As usual, people crying about meaningless bullshit while totally ignoring real issues.
- I mean, not to massively oversimplify matters, or anything.Nairn
- https://i.kym-cdn.co…Nairn
- 300,000,000 euros already given towards it's renovation. Humanity and it's priorities are utterly fucked. Yes, it's pretty simple.set
- ...and someone like Nairn would rather try and argue on the internet about it, lol. Would rather try and belittle someone that is talking sense. Sad times.set
- We're destroying this planet, but Nairn would rather spend some time crying over meaningless bullshit, because WHY CAN'T WE HAVE BOTH? haha. Fuck - me.set
- There's no time for both. There's no time to waste hundreds of millions of pounds anymore. This place is dying, a little bit more every day, because of us.set
- Sorry if that's too simple for you.set
- The historical heritage of these churches is enormous. I find it sad for cultural and historical reasons, not religious.Bennn
- Same for all the things that have been destroyed by ISIS in the Middle East.Bennn
- If you want to compare all the money spent by the world that is not put on the environment ... you will be disappointed. But I understand a your point, setBennn
- finally somebody reasonable lol_niko
- Lol. Black metal set! I don't give a shit either.maquito
- I trust that you practice, absolutely, what you preach, set? No long flights to India; Use of plastic or foods that destroy ecosystems (soy)?Nairn
- I knew that'd be your empty, shallow little desperate attempt at saving face lol. Yes, I do everything I can, within reason.set
- Mods, please rename set to SetttNairn
- ... and not that I have to justify myself to the likes of you, but I think my volunteering in india probably offset the carbon footprint of the flight. Cunt.set
- I suspect it probably didn't, to be fair.Nairn
- I hold a similar disdain for religion, and care little for preserving its heritage, but also recognize this as a cultural symbol and art well beyond christianitmonospaced
- so benn, even culturally and historically, you'd rather pump 300Mil euros into it? for what? it serves no purpose._niko
- put that money into schools, into tech into the environment, into the future of mankind, look forward not backwards to a time of superstition and darkness._niko
- It's got to be okay to mourn this while also recognizing the world's environment problems at the same time. It's not one or the other, really.monospaced
- Ok great do you now feel like you've won Nairn? So because I took a flight to india, everything I'm saying is now somehow not valid?set
- Or is it that you're literally more interested in trying to prove me wrong than you are in saving this planet we live on? hahahahaset
- Not at all, I'm abroad at the moment after 5 years of not flying and not feeling great about it. I just think your oversimplification was a bit.. oversimplifiedNairn
- There are plenty of other rich people donating millions to environmental causes - nowhere near enough, but more every year.Nairn
- Because frankly, even if I spent all day every day in a field spraying aerosol cans skyward, does that in ANY WAY make what I'm saying less valid?set
- You can view this edifice as either a monument to a toxic belief system, or a high achievement for a millennium of human culture.. or, yknow, bothNairn
- Of course it fucking doesn't. So please, maybe try and elevate yourself from your petty interpersonal ego games and let's talk about the real issues... yea?set
- It's ok to recognise this as being a sad event, but doing so doesn't somehow come at the expense of all the other things to feel sorry about. It's not zero sum.Nairn
- What about if they upgrade it to a LEED certification when they rebuild?zarkonite
- haha_niko
- Funny thing is, I'm pretty sure Nairn agrees with my sentiment, how could any sane human not. But he doesn't like me, so his ego can't help but go on the attackset
- LOLset
- I suspect it's an ego that sees attack rather than just a couple of bemused asides and responses.Nairn
- What you've said above Nairn, is like suggesting it makes sense to spend money on a new TV while your house is burning down. BECAUSE WHY NOT HAVE BOTH. lolset
- haha don't dare for a second to try to convince yourself that your 'way to over simplify things' comment wasn't a way of trying to belittle me...set
- ...because you didn't agree with what I said. Actually I think you do agree, you just didn't like how I said it. Did you.set
- In 100 years when our planet is inhospitable, I'm sure we'll all be over the moon that we spent half a billion euros on a church that no one needs.set
- @niko The 300,000,000$ has been given by private groups. No public money there. This is their choice. I see no problem there.Bennn
- Should those groups invest the same amount for the environment? Of course yes, that would be great.Bennn
- and lastly, if anyone thinks I'm just talking about Notre Dam and not making a wider point in general, then, well, you're an idiot, please don't engage me.set
- Its ok to want to preserve the historical heritage and save the World at the same time. Its not one or the other.Bennn
- There's much more big issues than our cultural heritage.Bennn
- I get your point set. You think the World should invest more for the planet and act as quickly as some did for Notre-Dame. You're totally right.Bennn
- I think some are just trying to tell you, Ok but lets not sweep the rest under the carpetBennn
- People like the Pyramids, too. I don't think they were very nice people, either. Matter of fact, humans were are never really that nice.formed
- Economically, one could argue that cathedral has brought much more than 300m $ in pilgrimage & tourism to the surrounding area.T-Dawg
- I agree with Set's original sentiment, but the argument is fallacious (appeal to worse problems)T-Dawg
- Ah look the guy with ten accounts has logged in and downvoted it 10 times in less than a few minutes again hahaha.set
- I'm not saying it's not a beautiful building, and I'm not saying it's not rather sad it's burned down. I'm just saying, ultimately who gives a fuck...set
- but the real issue that upsets me is how people get up in arms about meaningless shit like this when our planet is literally being killed by us and no one caresset
- and this whole 'why can't we have both' shit ain't gonna fly when we no longer have a sustainable planet to live on.set
- when the sun is so hot it burns your hair off and all the trees are gone, you'll glad of the cold, dark stone sanctuary of a cathedralFax_Benson
- it's easy to agree with set here. No one wants to look at the church for what it is. everyone uses a personal opinion to supersede logic and rationale.imbecile
- Even when it should be easy to agree with me, it's not for most people here haha. I'm very much aware of my communication style though. Brings out the egos, hahset
- Gets your fuckin' goat dunnit
hahaset - It's a bit unreasonable to expect people to not get upset simply because something else worse is happening, no? It's not like people don't care about the earth.monospaced
- it's not like all the groups dedicated to saving the planet have stopped suddenly because of Notre Damemonospaced
- In 100 years the planet will be inhospitable? What sort of doomsday cult have you subscribed to now, Setothry?shaft
- I was just giving an arbitrary number, but the way we are polluting, dumping and destroying is not sustainable. 100 years is not even that extreme.set
- Krassy3
can someone give us the Cliff's Notes on what's going on in Paris?
- I don't think anyone really knows, including the protesters & government. LOLchukkaphob
- Loading communism...pablo28
- boredom perhaps?chukkaphob
- High Deisel Taxes - not enough profits for drivers??...toemaas
- what about the migrants?utopian
- It started as a protest against the fuel price increase and has now become a general protest against the high cost of livingWhiteFace
- Too much taxes, cost of living keep rising, riches getting richer. And nothing is getting better.ApeRobot
- ...and the actual president is a lying douche bag.ApeRobot
- ^ tu as bien saisi la situation, well done.D4W33D
- So Macron is a pushover?chukkaphob
- Haha. I think the Communism floppy disk is broken to be honest. It keeps being passed around and never really loads properly!Ianbolton
- does Macron know what he signed up for?chukkaphob
- Bennn0
People will talk about this as The great fire of 2019 in 200 years.
- Did Nostradamus predict this fire?NBQ00
- #Bennnsplanation of the dayKrassy
- few people outside of Paris will care next week. I'd venture to guess most people don't care now.imbecile
- @imbecile ah, c'mon! really? this place has so much meaning to millions of people all over the world!Krassy
- yeah man, its not an ordinary monumentBennn
- even if the most historically significant monument in France but if its gone, will it really matter? enough for people to be bummed about it in 200 yrs?_niko
- the great fire? there are so many more the last year or so that were much biggermonospaced
- Aside from news consuming public, no one will know. The Catholic religion is seen as hypocritical & people like to watch bad things happen to child molesters.imbecile
- @_niko it will be rebuilt and continue to hold meaning to people far beyond 200 years from now.Krassy
- what meaning exactly? as a place to worship imaginary sky gods? or a place to prop up the world's biggest con artists?_niko
- or as imbecile said child molesters._niko
- sorry no disrespect meant, it was a wonder or architecture, and sad to see it go, but my point is what to do moving forward._niko
- uneducated peasants. it's an architectural masterpiece, every generation added something to it and it's the symbol of Gothic architecture.sted
- not to mention it's sacred significance.sted
- @_niko, it's honestly difficult to even beging to respond to what you wrote, man. Shows more than ignorance, unfortunately.Krassy
- fair enough krassy, just because it doesn't hold any meaning for me personally doesn't mean it's not significant for millions. But i still don't agree rebuildin_niko
- It'll re-open as a WetherspoonsPhanLo
- Yeah come to think of it, more than likely, I take everything back, save the cathedral! Lol_niko
- that cathedral represents an organization that intentionally protects adults who abuse children. let it burn.imbecile
- that cathedral represents the hard work and collaboration of architects, masons
sculptors, painters, glass craftsmen, carpenterssted - it will be redesigned in autocad and 3d printed.sted
- Name some of the architects. I’ll name a bunch of abusers.imbecile
- We can make it a game.imbecile
- Krassy0
- that's our favorite protest :)sted
- How many people still want to visit Paris these days? Or even still...have it on their bucket list? It has become a third-world city.utopian
- Always a booooring city, now it's becoming a interesting cityOBBTKN
- "We have two kinds of fascists: fascists and antifascists", said Ennio Flaiano, Fellini's screenwriter.shaft
- @shaft good one!Krassy
- lol shaft, truer words were never spoken_niko
- They really want to get rid of tourists.NBQ00
- Bennn2
François-Henri Pinault, CEO of Kering, is giving 100,000,000 EUROS to rebuilt Notre-Dame
- NBQ003
I hear Paris is a great place to visit at the moment as a tourist.
lol
- If i had spare cash I'd go.mugwart
- what about business travel?Fax_Benson
- chukkaphob1
END OF MACRON: French MPs launch NO CONFIDENCE vote amid nationwide anger and riots
https://www.express.co.uk/news/w…
- this 40yr old kid isn't ready to play the big boys gamechukkaphob
- Time to go back to ya mummy...ah sorry.. wifeshapesalad
- rightchukkaphob
- funny how only the Express are reporting this, oh wait.fadein11
- 40 yr old kid? aren't you guys 40 yrs old?pango
- ^ yes we are 40 and thusly an authority on how much 40 year olds are kids ;-) Especially ones that marry their mummy aged women.shapesalad
- That is so wrong because?pango
- Pango, we're all 40 and know fuck all about anything, let alone running a country. Exactly the point, mate. LOL!chukkaphob
- Right...pango
- rzu-rzu2
- Hahahahajmckinno
- Holy Fuck! Over 850 churches burnt or vandalized last year in Paris. But in 1 hour this fire was ruled an accident with nobody in the building!? Sure Macron...robotron3k
- sted0
see how every single person coming out of this starbucks steals some shit- wrong vid?fadein11
- I guess there prefer McCafe...shapesalad
- they*shapesalad
- Always looking for excuses to "smash American capitalism".NBQ00
- The thing I hate most about riots is the senseless destruction of Manufactured Stuff. It's probs the Calvinist in me (oo-er) but I loathe seeing such waste.Nairn
- chukkaphob1
So Macron is a pushover?
- he's Trump's boytoyMilan
- Macron's got mommy issueschukkaphob
- really? mommy issue?
o_Opango - @pango clearly does. No?chukkaphob
- Can't confirm it. Im not a milf expert like Marychainpango
- shapesalad2
I'm in love...
With all of them, croissants and Mara.
- NBQ000
The cathedral was undergoing a 6M+ Euro renovation. Rumors on the web are it may have been caused by construction workers smoking.
Not sure if that is really the cause but if it is how fucked up is that?
So much history destroyed.
- highly unlikely, c'monKrassy
- Highly unlikely? The French are born with a cigarette in one hand and coffee on the other. Very likely.ArmandoEstrada
- nope.Krassy
- electrical fail is what they expect.uan
