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no, not all. PSV and Feyenoord get their share as well.
but this was just a selection from some of the top clubs. could name a lot of foreign players who started their career in nl as well.
Do they all come from Ajax?
(Oct 9 06, 07:04)
Do they all come from Ajax?
(Oct 9 06, 06:57)
they're pish and most of their best players don't even support the team!
Man U: Van der Sar
Arsenal: Van Persie
Liverpool: Kuyt, Zenden
Real Madrid: Ruud Van
AC Milan: Seedorf
Bayern Munich: Makaay
Listen a good example: spanish league, right! Best league, agree? Spanish national team, they suck, and in my opinion not because they dont have players!
Man U and Liverpools success in that competition is great, especially for people eho like their football a bit less dainty than the continental stuff, but the amount of money these teams get from Sky negates a lot of the achievement in my mind.
I'd say what was Yugoslavia knocked out some blinders.
No French team has won the CL. Save Marsaille but they were stripped right?
I see Valentim's point, btw, I'm far more impressed by a smaall country who can produce a steady stream of good players than I am by one of the big guns - they throw so much money at so many prospects somethings bound to stick.
Holland are the most consistently impressive return for your buck in european football by a damn long way.
I dont argue that! I am not stupid, neither footbal bias blind twat! I was trying to get to a completely different point...its lost now... I wish you luck and to everything you support fella!
hen surely England or Spain would need to be replaced by say, um, France perchance? - a team which has won something in the last 30 years. Spain can especially get tae, they are shite, the scandos do well considering they don't have the resources of the big places right enough, but so do the Czechs for example.
In terms of international success you are looking at Germany, Italy and France everybody else is a long way behind
ou mean club teams there, right?
Not trying to shoot you down but...
In my unbiased opinion.
The most successful countries across all competitions are
England / Netherlands
Spain / Portugal
Eastern Euopean countries
Deco in Barcelona, figoCosta in Inter, Miguel and Viana in Valencia, Maniche and Costinha in At.Madrid all the gang of Chelsea, CR in M.U. ...I dont know there is quite a few ones about that are potential league winners and champions strong participants...And WHAT? BENFICA? Now I lost all the respect!
Hugo Viana is a really good player. I think he struggles to fit into the system at Valencia (the manager is very defensive, and the team has a lot of attacking talent already), but he's certainly more suited to Spanish football. If he played for a mid-table team and was given some creative liberty, I think he'd be regarded as one of the top players in the world.
Deco is Brazillian, he wangled Portugese nationality I think.
Ronaldo has won the FA Cup but to be fair, it was against Millwall in the final!
I don't think the Portugese team are even remotely impressive. They haven't been for a long time. Christ, they couldn't even beat England in the last couple of tournaments without going to penalties.
I don't think English football is all that great at the moment, but I ask again. What has Portugese football done in the last 10 years to warrent your praise?
Deco, Figo I'll give you, but who else? Ronaldo hasn't won a thing, Porto have disintgrated, Benfica are ok at best. Where are all these portugese players winning European leagues?