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- PonyBoy0
pyeaton... yes... I was serious.
Understand that using our OWN resources would cut back on our importing... which seems to ruin a SHITLOAD of lives around the world...
... so I'm merely stating that we do have our own resources to work with... and yet we put stipulations on ourselves forcing us to buy and TAKE from others...
... there are 300+ million folks over here... and the majority of them aren't hermits... they need to get out and about like everyone else.
And stop your crying over the SUV's...
... my step-mom drives a v8 QX4 Infinity because she prefers to 'feel safe' given the power she has to control the vehicle... and the size of it to protect her from an outside impact. (she got in a horrid accident a couple of years back and now has a 'fear' in her - which is more like a heightened awareness more than 'fear of driving')...
oh... and her and my pops also own a boat... and a shitty lil 4-speed hybrid and gonna cut it. (and if you talk shit about my pops owning a boat then fuck off... and go fishing... then get back to me.:) )...
- garett_west0
Hey, we are the assholes that keep buying all these SUV's and driving around the corner. We are the ones that insist that we have to drive to work by ourselves. Why dont we buy smaller, more fuel efficient cars? Wont look as cool I gues. The American consumer is the one to blame here. Not the oil companies. We are the ones that went out and bought up every four wheel drive SUV to drive on the highway. (mmm gotta have that 4WD.)
pyeaton
(Aug 7 06, 14:03)Can you please not blame it on SUV's and the fat American driving public? Makes you sound really unintelligent and uninformed.
Lets really think for a moment EVERYTHING causing emissions.
Cars.
Airplanes. (which airtravel has risen steadily 3% EVERY year)
Trains.
Trucks.
Boats.
Farm Equipment.
Lawn Equipment.
Machinery.
Helicopters.Take for instance trains. General Electric's Evolution, the world's most advanced diesel-electric locomotive. The locomotives represent a breakthrough in fuel efficiency and pollution reduction, the later important because trains traditionally have been exempt from environmental controls. The 4,400-horsepower Evolution uses five percent less fuel than other locomotives of the same power -- which means a lot since a typical locomotive burns 1,000 gallons of diesel per day -- and emits 40 percent less pollution. General Electric is at work on a hybrid locomotive that would achieve further reduction in emissions and fuel use.
The Evolution is selling like crazy in part because the George W. Bush administration imposed the first national emissions standards on locomotives; also on construction equipment, off-road vehicles, marine engines and other previously unregulated sources of diesel exhaust. Bush further required that diesel fuel itself be "reformulated" to reduce inherent pollution content. Did you know that President Bush ordered a major strengthening of clean-air law? Of course you didn't, since the mainstream media refuse to report this.
Also how about you turn on the television once in a while and see that EVERY major automaker is making leaps into the green generation.
GM has 30+ cars that get 30 miles to the gallon or higher.
Toyota, Honda, Lexus and Ford ALL have hybrid vehicles.
GM has a fleet of 12 cars and trucks that can run on biodeisel and currently there are 2 million of them on the roads.
So please, for your own sake... NEVER say it's "SUVs".
- mrdobolina0
strategic oil reserves are strategic for a reason, kevin.
- TheBlueOne0
strategic oil reserves are strategic for a reason, kevin.
mrdobolina
(Aug 7 06, 14:18)
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Amen. We have the worlds largest military to keep running. I'm pretty sure we'll be operating in another land war in the middle east before 2008 - maybe..something..starts with an "Ir-"..ands with an "n" I think, not sure...so we need that strategic oil.
- PonyBoy0
time of war, rick... right?
i mean... you don't touch that shit unless it's absolutely necessary (like a personal savings account - and when you just can't scrape up the cash for a 1/4 ounce tasty stickiness... BAM... empty out the 'strategic reserve' to save the day).
:)
- PonyBoy0
strategic oil reserves are strategic for a reason, kevin.
mrdobolina
(Aug 7 06, 14:18)
---i'm not sure why you brought up the reserves though... that's our backup... that's 'smart' if you ask me...
... don't you think that if the U.S. loosened it's 'need' for someone else's oil and tried using ours sparingly and appropriately... that we may in fact release a lot of tension on a world-wide front?
- jevad0
i blame it on SUV's and the fat, american-driving public at large who need to drive a block or two for their mcdonalds fix and porn rental
- mrdobolina0
That is just samrt leadership to use up other peoples oil before your own, unless you come up with alternatives. Plus now with the middle east being a monstro clusterfuck, I would, if I were the leader, give a ton of fucking loot to MIT and other universities and say "figga that shit out. fool".
- PonyBoy0
i blame it on SUV's and the fat, american-driving public at large who need to drive a block or two for their mcdonalds fix and porn rental
jevad
(Aug 7 06, 14:25)
---*raises hand
I'm guilty of every charge (except I drive a lil white 4-cyl truck that gets about 25-30 mpg in the city... that's a TON of porn-shop/mcD's trips)
- pyeaton0
Ahhh you guys are hilarious! The VAST majority of pollution comes from consumer level vehicles and power plants.
http://www.ecobridge.org/content…
It is pretty pathetic that anyone would even think to trust the govt and bog oil to develop something that they dont sell. First, the goct is too busy profiteering off the war (see the movie "why we fight", and the oil companie are not going to sink a dime inbto alternative fuel. So, what I am saying is that we are at fault driving our gas guzzlers to work everyday, and giving bog oil another medium to gouge us with.
Oh yeah, and by the way, I held the hand of a woman who ended up dying after being clipped in an SUV. She died right there, with me, her three born kids and her unborn (who ended up dying as well), so if you think I want to get in an SUV because I feel safer and almightier, then you are sorely wrong.
- TheBlueOne0
I'm guilty of every charge (except I drive a lil white 4-cyl truck that gets about 25-30 mpg in the city...
PonyBoy
(Aug 7 06, 14:27)
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Oh, so you got a Tracker too?
- mrdobolina0
ANWAR should be classified as strategic reserves if you ask me. They say that there isnt enough there to really put much of a dent in daily US consumption anyway. Also, if it isnt going to give the consumer a price break, what is the point?
Sit on ANWAR.
- PonyBoy0
That is just samrt leadership to use up other peoples oil before your own, unless you come up with alternatives. Plus now with the middle east being a monstro clusterfuck, I would, if I were the leader, give a ton of fucking loot to MIT and other universities and say "figga that shit out. fool".
mrdobolina
(Aug 7 06, 14:25)
---I'm game w/that scenario... but the truth is - we are still going to rely on oil for years to come... perhaps we should maybe use some of our resources to support ourselves WHILE funding the research for ways to get off the oil.
... i'm thinking of the 'world' here. :) I realize I'm being idealistic... but I think it's doable and the U.S. should rely on their own energy resources.
- mrdobolina0
//nah, finish the job of completely dessimating the middle east, suck all of their resources dry and then charge them 10 bucks a gallon for water in 20 years.
- PonyBoy0
Oh, so you got a Tracker too?
TheBlueOne
(Aug 7 06, 14:29)
---hahahaha!!!
no.
samurai suzuki!!
okay... not really... I drive an '02 Nissan Frontier
- ********0
i'd don't buy this consumer is the cause bs big business could have introduced ecars in the 60s and used WAY more sunlight and wind power for cities and everything but the bottom line is sustainable resources are NOT profitable like selling shit loads of cheap coal and oil...business can change the world and consumers arn't as smart as you think. we just buy what we can buy.
- algorithm0
they took them (ecars) all back with absolutely no reason to the customer then destroyed them in the AZ desert.
- pyeaton0
Thats a great idea! Trust big business to solve our problems.
- ********0
smart business can help a lot in providing viable safe and clean choices...it's like Fair Trade coffee. would you ever consider buying a cup or making a moral consumer choice if all you ever had was starbucks coffee made on slave labour?
- TheBlueOne0
Oh, so you got a Tracker too?
TheBlueOne
(Aug 7 06, 14:29)
---hahahaha!!!
no.
samurai suzuki!!
--------------------Same thing. Mines purple.