Star Trek: Discovery

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  • CyBrainX0
    • Wow nice! Was a great episode, well done, written and acted.Akagiyama
  • Akagiyama0

    Cronenberg was back in last week's episode:

    • So that comment about the Romulan mining ship refers to the Star Trek 2009 movie when Nero went back in time at the beginning of the movie.CyBrainX
    • That created the mirror universe. Is that young Enterprise's crew the same characters in this episode?
      https://www.youtube.…
      CyBrainX
    • Huh, I didn't think of that!Akagiyama
  • misterhow0

    Star Trek is for kids. jk
    I'm thoroughly enjoying this season especially. Dare I say, this is the best Trek show yet! I enjoyed Picard but Disco has good characters and some really solid story telling.

    • I love the series too. My favorite episode this year was the Vulcan trial story. The posthumous cameo was very moving.CyBrainX
    • I'm not sure where I place it among my favorites yet but it's the most consistent. They never give us throwaway stories about Ferengi crossdressers.CyBrainX
    • don't check out the youtube fanboys. comicsbook guy from the simpsons leveltank02
    • yeah I find this is better than Picard.grafician
  • Akagiyama3

    Just realized, the interrogator from last week's episode was David Cronenberg.

    • And doing a fucking good job, too.
      Utterly creepy.
      Continuity
    • This scene was so fantastic. I hope we see more of this guy.CyBrainX
    • Has to be Section 31. Set up for Yeoh's spinoff.i_monk
    • I forgot about here spinoff. They're probably going to be spreading themselves thin like they did in the 90s.CyBrainX
    • The 90s produced the best Trek, so go for it.i_monk
  • scarabin0

    The animated “lower decks” series is fun

    • I saw a commercial and it was NOT very encouraging.CyBrainX
    • Looks very Final Space.i_monk
    • Nahgrafician
    • Finished the season last week, I surprisingly liked it a lot.Akagiyama
    • Watch the last episode first.jtb26
  • i_monk0

    I like some of the direction they've taken.

    • And they could have done a lot worse than casting David Ajala.Continuity
  • Continuity1

    All right, I just watched this week's episode. And I will — grudgingly — admit that it was fairly entertaining.

  • CyBrainX0

    To Perdition's Flames with you haters. I'm looking forward to it.

  • i_monk0

    It's back.

  • sted-2

    it started to get really-really hard to watch this show:

    - Meaning, I can take Discovery to the future.But I won't be able to come back.
    It's a one-way trip.
    - You're leaving? Forever?
    - That is correct.
    - To ensure the Sphere data remains out of Leland's reach, Michael must remain in the future.
    - Permanently.
    - What does that even mean?

    • I find that I have to watch some of these episodes twice because they go over some of the technobabble so fast.CyBrainX
    • Time travel as a storyline is tiresome.PhanLo
  • i_monk1

    Stepped out the door after work today and ran into someone I used to work with but now only ever see when I randomly run into him. Anyway, he works on the set of Discovery! He says Sonequa Martin-Green (Michael Burnham) is a *super* nice person on set. And all that ridiculous lens flare is real, done with special lights, not CG'd in post like I assumed.

    He's working on a Brooke Shields pilot now between seasons.

    • Cool. What does he do on these shows?CyBrainX
    • I think he said rigger, building sets.i_monk
  • i_monk0

    The Scarborough Bluffs, east end of Toronto. Way better than yet another arid scrubland with large rocks.

    (I wish my friend hadn't broken up with the set designer! I never got my tour!)

    • copy-paste moonssted
    • The production values are quite good on this show. They obviously have a higher budget for TV than the past series.CyBrainX
    • Netflix money.i_monk
    • Netflix has season 1 but my money has been going to CBS All Access.CyBrainX
    • Netflix paid for most or all of the production: https://screenrant.c…i_monk
  • CyBrainX0

    SPOILERS (last night)

    Last night's episode was more coherent but the Prime Directive violations go to Kirk Prime territory. I might have been ok with Seru going down there to tell them about the other race from his planet but not about telling them about technology and the Federation.

    • I was pretty impressed, and finally an episode that didn't feel absolutely schizophrenic from trying to juggle A-, B-, C-, D-, E-, and F-plots in one go.Continuity
    • If you didn't check out Short Treks, you should watch the one about Seru's early life and homeworld planet. It was very good and explains the last two episodesCyBrainX
    • I did catch the Saru one. I wasn't impressed.Continuity
    • The Prime Directive exists to be broken. Just like Worf existed to get thrown around.i_monk
    • The tradition of characters getting their asses kicked: Checkov, Worf, Archer and Tilly on DiscoveryCyBrainX
    • A bit different: Worf was the measure of toughness, so if he got tossed it's a Serious Threat.i_monk
    • ^AgreedCyBrainX
  • i_monk0

    The writing is garbage this season.

  • Wolfboy0

    I've not watched any of the second season as I really did not enjoy the first. It never felt like Star Trek to me (far too explosions and punching based – which I have no issue with, I just want something slightly more cerebral from Star Trek)

    So am I missing out? Have they adjusted the tone and style to be a bit more on brand? Should I give it another go considering the type of things that turned me off the first season?

    • On the whole, you're not really missing much. Although, I will admit Anson Mount plays a thoroughly watchable Pike.Continuity
    • I've been enjoying but I'm not a treky.thumb_screws
    • I love that they brought Pike in but he's not as good as Bruce Greenwood in the recent movies.CyBrainX
    • No way, Bruce Greenwood has nothing on Anson Mount's Pike.Continuity
  • ETM0

    So it's in the JJ Abrams (aka Kelvin) timeline? Makes sense I guess, aligning with the current silver screen offerings.

    • Anyway, who cares. I'm not buying a CBS All Access subscription.ETM
    • Actually, from what I've read in many sources, it's meant to be prime timeline.Continuity
    • Sure doesn't look like it. The tech, the Klingons etc.ETM
    • The trailer says '10 years before Kirk and Spock'....set
    • Kirk and Spock don't exist in the Kelvin timeline, Set? Amazing.ETM
    • The fuck are you talking aboutset
    • lolGuyFawkes
    • Saying it exists 10 years before the original series doesn't tell us which timeline. I suspect we'll eventually see that it's not the original timeline.CyBrainX
    • Nah, they're putting down too many prime TL easter eggs. For example, there's wide speculation Tyler's kid will grow up to the the Albino from DS9.Continuity
  • Continuity2

    Urgh. This week's episode was pretty bad. It owes Quark 100 bars of gold-pressed latinum just for the privilege of even being allowed to exist.

  • Wolfboy3

    In a side note on my last post CyBrainX asked "So, there's nothing this show can do to please you in any way?"

    Well as much as I’ve not enjoyed this first season I would love it if they managed turn it around and make it something great. So here are a few things they could do:

    1/ Ditch the season arc. I know that’s how modern TV works, but fuck it, this is Star Trek and interesting stand alone stories are a big part of the show. I don’t know how everyone else felt, but for me the show was at its best in the episode where Dwight from The Office was fucking with them in a time loop. It was an entertaining problem, they solved it, they moved on.

    They have set up a universe that would now lend itself to episodic television like this - The Federation is decimated and this show is now about rebuilding and all the issues that come with that. With a weakened Federation we could see interactions with aliens looking to take advantage of the situation. Let’s get something other than running and punching back in it - a bit of space politics wouldn’t go a miss. Also, as a point of difference to previous Trek, maybe expand to see the Klingons rebuilding in parallel; these two wider themes/stories could overlap from time to time so it doesn’t feel like the firs season is forgotten about.

    2/ Concentrate on the new Captain. Fuck Burnham as the centre of the show, she is a personality vacuum and although would still be there as Science officer, she would not be the focus. Make sure the new Captain is an interesting well written, well acted character too - Burnham has been dull dull dull.

    I don’t think there actually needs to be a brand new Captain by the way, I’d be happy with Sarue as Captain and watching how he, as a natural coward/creature of flight develops. But what ever they go with, the Captain has to be interesting and the lynchpin of the show.

    3/ More actual characters. Star Trek is an ensemble piece and at the moment there are faces on the bridge every week that I couldn’t name and have had about 10 lines between them across the whole first season. With a more traditional stand alone episode style show we could see these characters fleshed out.

    4/ Bring it into line with the prime timeline. I know it’s easy to whinge about this, but fuck it, they made the decision to make this a prequel, not us. So they need to tie off all the flapping loose technological ends; destroy the spore drive for a start and explain why we've never seen it again. That bullshit throw away remark from Stamets about a none human interface was not enough to write it out of the show.

    5/ Fuck fan service. It’s the worst of lazy writing in modern entertainment. Get what ever bullshit they’ve got planned with the Enterprise out of the way and concentrate on building new things that we like. You know, like they did with TNG.

    6/ Just write it better. I think the main issue with this whole show has been bad writing. Poor dialogue with too much clunky exposition, characters that did not get properly fleshed out and bad plotting both for individual episodes and across the season.

    As I mentioned already, I thought the time loop episode was pretty tight and well constructed. I cared about what was happening and I was happy with a resolution that wasn’t just a big showdown. They should concentrate on this kind of writing.

    • Dwight from the Office was also Max Headroom that spastic head in a box from early 80s MTV.
      They can't decimate the Federation and stay inline with prime canon
      CyBrainX
    • I don't think it's fan service to leverage a half century of awesome every once in a while. Sarek has been awesome in any Star Trek incarnation. We've had threeCyBrainX
    • I agree about Saru. I think he'd make a good captain and he did an admirable job of making peace with Burnham.CyBrainX
    • I think character development has been very good in some cases but there are a few regulars on the bridge that haven't opened their mouths yet.CyBrainX
    • I'm pretty sure we'll see Georgiu again. They seem quite taken with that character. I just don't want to see anymore mirror nonsense.CyBrainX
    • I'm tired of seeing James Franco waving his hands.CyBrainX
    • Actually, Max Headroom was Matt Frewer.Continuity
  • Wolfboy0

    Sounds like it's going to remain at the wrong end of my stuff to watch list then. Fingers crossed for the new Picard show being up to snuff.

  • thumb_screws0

    So is section 31 a rip of special circumstances from Ian m banks culture novels. Which came first?

    • I wouldn't say it's a rip-off of SC - the concept's fairly generic (MI6? SAS) and I think it's pre Discovery anyway - TNG? DS9?Nairn
    • towards the end of DS9. Those were good episodes too.CyBrainX