Star Trek: Discovery

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  • detritus1

    I much prefer this slightly harder, adult-oriented style of Trek — as much a fan as I've been since TNG, I've always felt ST a little limp, safe and early-evening centric. Indeed, the very first time I saw Encounter at Farpoint, on VHS (!), I thought it was terribly safe and cloistered, even as a kid.

    Best thing is - none of that insipid happydappy colourful West Coast-themed 90s crap...

    Fuck you, Neelix.

    • ha. we defo agree on all of this :)fadein11
    • Shittiest character ever.dopepope
    • Give me Neelix over Quark or any member of his brood any day.Continuity
    • No, I'm going through DS9 at the moment (all others finished, finally!) and without a doubt, Neelix is the worstestest.detritus
    • I know one character out of all the Trek series who is worse than Neelix:

      Harry Fucking Kim.
      Continuity
    • yeah... but Jeri Ryan...PonyBoy
    • ... she used to assimilate me in the shower before schoolPonyBoy
    • Left little nanoprobes all over the shower pan, huh?ETM
    • Resistance to my left hand was futilePonyBoy
    • Hahahadetritus
    • Hahahaha!Continuity
    • The only thing worse than Neelix was Tuvix.i_monk
    • Why? Didn't he have a right to live?!?ETM
    • Shit Tuvix was so bad. Even how their fucking uniforms blended. Seriously?ETM
    • Like what the actual fuck?
      http://4.bp.blogspot…
      ETM
    • How does completely forgettable Harry Kim get mentioned in this discussion before WESLEY CRUSHER????CyBrainX
    • But, yeah, Neelix is just about as bad. He's painful.CyBrainX
    • Season 1 and 2 Wesley Crusher was insufferable, I agree. After that, I totally didn't mind him.Continuity
  • Continuity4

    A Star Trek series can look as cool as it wants ... but if it's just some dark, violent, series-long war story, it's missing the point of Star Trek entirely. And that point is exploration, humanity finally united and getting along, and the view of the future being bright and progressive.

    This looks like it's got none of that.

    Also, yes, it needs camp.

    • too early to tell, but i otherwise agreescarabin
    • space exploration, big sci fi themes, mind bending stories... there's so much one could do with this franchise rather than explosions.inteliboy
    • ^Continuity
    • On top of that, our own present reality gets more shit with every passing day. Star Trek really should be the bright view of the future to help us through this.Continuity
    • i'm cautiously optimistic :)scarabin
    • Our future will be more Madmax than star trek.hotroddy
    • i'm hoping there will be a lot of one-off stories and not some long tedious, boring war storyscarabin
    • if they can build a solid story arch from begininng to end. I'm sold.hotroddy
  • set1

    Looks good to me.

    Looks like they're finally bringing in some proper culture and history of other species. That's one thing that Star Trek always lacked for me.

    • Hello DS9?tank02
    • Ugh, all the Bajoran religious culture shit was the WORST.Al_dizzle
    • ^^^Continuity
    • That was all fluffy bullshit thoughset
    • DS9 was the worst series all around: most silly, most filler episodes, worst cast and least memorable.CyBrainX
    • klingons and ferengi were both also fully explored, maybe you just missed all those?scarabin
    • And changelingstank02
    • Well I did say 'proper'. And by that I guess what I mean is interstesting.set
    • Interesting, even.set
    • ... and visual. Architecture, clothing, cultural style etcset
  • Akagiyama3

    Just realized, the interrogator from last week's episode was David Cronenberg.

    • And doing a fucking good job, too.
      Utterly creepy.
      Continuity
    • This scene was so fantastic. I hope we see more of this guy.CyBrainX
    • Has to be Section 31. Set up for Yeoh's spinoff.i_monk
    • I forgot about here spinoff. They're probably going to be spreading themselves thin like they did in the 90s.CyBrainX
    • The 90s produced the best Trek, so go for it.i_monk
  • Continuity2

    Urgh. This week's episode was pretty bad. It owes Quark 100 bars of gold-pressed latinum just for the privilege of even being allowed to exist.

  • sted3

    Really sorry for those who work on the post-prod of this series that's the only thing what isn't lame as fuck.
    Last two episodes completely wiped out that sparkle of excitement I had for this show.

    I blame her:

    • ... and she's one of the least annoying on the show.Continuity
    • Still. She's not *quite* as annoying as, say ...

      KAI FUCKING WINN.
      Continuity
    • Tilly is by far the most annoying character on the show but still better than most of the characters from DS9.CyBrainX
    • In no particular order Kai Winn, Jake Sisko, Nog, Dukat, the entire cast of Enterprise, the entire cast of Discovery, and Harry Fucking Kim are the ones I findContinuity
    • ... the most annoying. Even more than poor Wesley Crusher.Continuity
    • I also forgot to add Rom to that list. Fucking Rom.Continuity
    • I have to take exception with anyone being more annoying than Wesley. And you didn't even mention Neelix. I liked Jake even though he didn't serve much purpose.CyBrainX
    • The Ferengi were the worst species in the canon and most of the DS9 cast made that the worst series. The writing didn't help either.CyBrainX
    • During its first run, I wasn't not at all a fan of DS9, bar a few episodes like. I hated all the poltics, the Bajoran religion and all the war stuff.Continuity
    • Having recently finished binge-watching it again, I mind it far less than I did on its original run. There are some actually interesting stories on it.Continuity
    • Also, DS9 gave us this brilliant little scene between Damar and Weyoun 8 (starting at 2:35): https://www.youtube.…Continuity
    • Damar was a good character. Speaking of actors and many characters, Jeffery Combs played 3: Brunt, Weyoun and Shran.CyBrainX
    • 5! Weyoun, Brunt, Penk, Krem, Shransted
  • detritus1

    Ah, I'd meant to check this out :)

    "So in "Stark Trek: Discovery", they have the Vulcan debug some code. Apparently, Starfleet still runs on Windows."

    https://twitter.com/ErrataRob/st…

    • https://moviecode.tu…detritus
    • Aren't they using quantum computers in Trek? The code doesn't reference "states."ETM
    • If I had to script all day with Eurostile Extended, I'd want to spoon my own eyeballs out.Continuity
    • Fucking geeks! =Dset
    • DeleteFileW -- unicode version of DeleteFile
      Why not, at some point Unicode will support alien characters
      drgs
    • __stdcall calling convention -- for 32 bits only thoughdrgs
  • Gnash0

    I'm liking it. But it's just another space show, to me. I don't get the"star trek" vibe that the other series had.

    • <ETM
    • Just wait til you see the gender neutral snowflake running med bay 5fadein11
    • The Orville feels more Trek than this.i_monk
    • Is Orville just another excuse for Seth McFarlane to do Shatner impressions? Or try to remake Galaxy Quest?CyBrainX
    • No Shatner Impressions. Maybe some Galaxy Quest. It's actually not too bad.ETM
    • If Fox allows it to survive long enough to find its groove, it could become quit good.ETM
    • star trek has had gender oddity since the early days. nothing new there, fadeinGnash
    • I bet you fucking hate it then hahafadein11
    • why would I hate it? -- it doesn't even register.Gnash
    • you seem obsessed, though. Take the plunge and do it, stop just thinking about it. you'll have lots of company.Gnash
    • Remember when Riker fell in love with a gender neutral alien? Kirk fought duplicates of a few female replicated versions of himself.CyBrainX
    • goddamnit riker!ernexbcn
  • since19792

    • I like the nod to da Vincimonospaced
    • but is it better than this https://www.youtube.… haha jkOP31
    • that was terrible OP31. This one looks westworld/game of throwns inspiredhotroddy
    • I love the Enterprise intro IF YOU MUTE THE SOUND. That's the worst song of the millenium.CyBrainX
  • ETM0

    I guess they just don't have the imagination anymore to conceive of a story beyond TNG and Voyager timelines. I don't want more polyfill and retconning of established things.

    I binged watched DS9 recently and then decided to try Enterprise since I never watched it first run. Ugh. The mistakes and changes Enterprise makes by accident or on purpose are grating. Even small things. I saw an episode where Ferengi boarded the NX Enterprise and Archer convinced them he'd pay them in gold bars. Yet on DS9 Quark once explained gold-pressed latinum as precious liquid suspended in worthless gold. So why would the Fernegi fight over themselves for what they deem worthless.

    • Admitedly, though, the gold part wasn't exclusive to 'Enterprise'. In the DS9 episode 'Little Green Men', Quark seems quite happy to accept gold as payment.Continuity
    • I couldn't get passed Enterprises' opening music.Al_dizzle
    • haha, I decided to give Enterprise a go the other day and my partner shouted abuse at me from the kitchen when the theme music came on :)detritus
    • For some damn reason, I've been humming that piss-poor theme from time to time. My self loathing is beyond precedence.ETM
    • @Continuity... true, however, in that episode wasn't Quark eventually resigned to being stuck on 1940's Earth and becoming rich and powerful?ETM
    • So it makes more sense giving that position, gold was of great value to his situation.ETM
    • But it's been a while, so I may have that wrong.ETM
    • No, this is true. Humans hadn't heard of latinum, and the local precious metal on Earth was/is gold, so he had to work in that context.Continuity
    • That Enterprise theme is one of the worst songs I ever heard. I like the visuals though. If you watch Enterprise, just watch season 4. It will change your mind.CyBrainX
    • i was surprised by how much i liked enterprise until about halfway through, when the series got suuuuper boringscarabin
    • Halfway was the Xindi/Expanse arc. Then?ETM
  • scarabin0

    The animated “lower decks” series is fun

    • I saw a commercial and it was NOT very encouraging.CyBrainX
    • Looks very Final Space.i_monk
    • Nahgrafician
    • Finished the season last week, I surprisingly liked it a lot.Akagiyama
    • Watch the last episode first.jtb26
  • Wolfboy3

    In a side note on my last post CyBrainX asked "So, there's nothing this show can do to please you in any way?"

    Well as much as I’ve not enjoyed this first season I would love it if they managed turn it around and make it something great. So here are a few things they could do:

    1/ Ditch the season arc. I know that’s how modern TV works, but fuck it, this is Star Trek and interesting stand alone stories are a big part of the show. I don’t know how everyone else felt, but for me the show was at its best in the episode where Dwight from The Office was fucking with them in a time loop. It was an entertaining problem, they solved it, they moved on.

    They have set up a universe that would now lend itself to episodic television like this - The Federation is decimated and this show is now about rebuilding and all the issues that come with that. With a weakened Federation we could see interactions with aliens looking to take advantage of the situation. Let’s get something other than running and punching back in it - a bit of space politics wouldn’t go a miss. Also, as a point of difference to previous Trek, maybe expand to see the Klingons rebuilding in parallel; these two wider themes/stories could overlap from time to time so it doesn’t feel like the firs season is forgotten about.

    2/ Concentrate on the new Captain. Fuck Burnham as the centre of the show, she is a personality vacuum and although would still be there as Science officer, she would not be the focus. Make sure the new Captain is an interesting well written, well acted character too - Burnham has been dull dull dull.

    I don’t think there actually needs to be a brand new Captain by the way, I’d be happy with Sarue as Captain and watching how he, as a natural coward/creature of flight develops. But what ever they go with, the Captain has to be interesting and the lynchpin of the show.

    3/ More actual characters. Star Trek is an ensemble piece and at the moment there are faces on the bridge every week that I couldn’t name and have had about 10 lines between them across the whole first season. With a more traditional stand alone episode style show we could see these characters fleshed out.

    4/ Bring it into line with the prime timeline. I know it’s easy to whinge about this, but fuck it, they made the decision to make this a prequel, not us. So they need to tie off all the flapping loose technological ends; destroy the spore drive for a start and explain why we've never seen it again. That bullshit throw away remark from Stamets about a none human interface was not enough to write it out of the show.

    5/ Fuck fan service. It’s the worst of lazy writing in modern entertainment. Get what ever bullshit they’ve got planned with the Enterprise out of the way and concentrate on building new things that we like. You know, like they did with TNG.

    6/ Just write it better. I think the main issue with this whole show has been bad writing. Poor dialogue with too much clunky exposition, characters that did not get properly fleshed out and bad plotting both for individual episodes and across the season.

    As I mentioned already, I thought the time loop episode was pretty tight and well constructed. I cared about what was happening and I was happy with a resolution that wasn’t just a big showdown. They should concentrate on this kind of writing.

    • Dwight from the Office was also Max Headroom that spastic head in a box from early 80s MTV.
      They can't decimate the Federation and stay inline with prime canon
      CyBrainX
    • I don't think it's fan service to leverage a half century of awesome every once in a while. Sarek has been awesome in any Star Trek incarnation. We've had threeCyBrainX
    • I agree about Saru. I think he'd make a good captain and he did an admirable job of making peace with Burnham.CyBrainX
    • I think character development has been very good in some cases but there are a few regulars on the bridge that haven't opened their mouths yet.CyBrainX
    • I'm pretty sure we'll see Georgiu again. They seem quite taken with that character. I just don't want to see anymore mirror nonsense.CyBrainX
    • I'm tired of seeing James Franco waving his hands.CyBrainX
    • Actually, Max Headroom was Matt Frewer.Continuity
  • ETM0

    So it's in the JJ Abrams (aka Kelvin) timeline? Makes sense I guess, aligning with the current silver screen offerings.

    • Anyway, who cares. I'm not buying a CBS All Access subscription.ETM
    • Actually, from what I've read in many sources, it's meant to be prime timeline.Continuity
    • Sure doesn't look like it. The tech, the Klingons etc.ETM
    • The trailer says '10 years before Kirk and Spock'....set
    • Kirk and Spock don't exist in the Kelvin timeline, Set? Amazing.ETM
    • The fuck are you talking aboutset
    • lolGuyFawkes
    • Saying it exists 10 years before the original series doesn't tell us which timeline. I suspect we'll eventually see that it's not the original timeline.CyBrainX
    • Nah, they're putting down too many prime TL easter eggs. For example, there's wide speculation Tyler's kid will grow up to the the Albino from DS9.Continuity
  • Wolfboy0

    Well I previously complained about the way that so far every situation had been sorted out by utilising punching, shooting and...

    But the finale did not do that and was just a tedious hour of television.

    *I guess the next paragraph is a spoiler, although it’s that dull that it’s not really spoiling anything*

    They seemed to do very very little to sort out a galactic war. A couple of speeches, a Klingon waves a calculator at some other Klingons and the whole show resets like a bog standard sit-com.

    So I guess the bottom line is that this show suffers from one problem, terrible terrible writing. Dialogue, episode plots, season arcs; none of it really works.

    • It was so flat for a final. Rushed and felt like an episode of bullet points.thumb_screws
    • And “yo homicidal maniac, here’s the keys to the car”. That was awful.thumb_screws
    • Yeah, it reminded me of when Caprica was cancelled so they just wrapped up everything that would have been the second series in a 5 min montage.Wolfboy
    • Very little to sort out a galactic war? They surgically altered a human to be a dead Klingon warrior with his memories who eventually decided to help and betrayCyBrainX
    • both sides and help end the war by putting T'Rell in a position of power to lead the Klingons. It wasn't very little at all.CyBrainX
    • +1 for Clint Howard
      +1 for the line about "Bread and Circuses"
      +1 million for the Enterprise with Spock and Pike on board and Sarek on the Discovery.
      CyBrainX
    • I’ll go with +1 for Clint Howard - has anyone played more characters across the various Star Treks?Wolfboy
    • But in general they seemed to turn around a situation that was set up as much bigger over the past couple of episodes. 9 months of unchecked victories for the..Wolfboy
    • ...Klingons just sorted out with an afternoon fucking around on Kronos with some comedy geeks and freaks. The whole thing felt under baked.Wolfboy
    • "Klingon waves a calculator"sted
    • I'm sorry, the war ended because someone has a bomb and everyone fell in line to follow a nobody. Fuck this show.ETM
    • "Yeah, we suck at writing, but here's the Enterprise! Look at the new shiny thing to go crazy on social media about and forget our whole garbage first season."ETM
    • So, there's nothing this show can do to please you in any way?CyBrainX
  • detritus2

    Oh c'mon, they don't even have CCTV to investigate murders on board starships?

    • Lazy writing. Like, why would you need monitoring devices in a sickbay, right? What, in case you needed to remotely monitor patients, or something logical?ETM
    • I know, it's stupid — it's ST, they can just make up bullshit to cover over a sudden lack of video coverage. 'Spore Emanation Flux' or some shitdetritus
    • no surveillance on that deck.sted
  • i_monk1

    It still doesn't feel like Trek.

    • I still don't see it. Aside from new uniforms and ships, this has all the classic themes and even some of the same characters.CyBrainX
    • The actress they chose to play Sarek's wife seemed to be a cross between the actress from the original series and Wynona Ryder.CyBrainX
    • It’s Lydia from Breaking Bad.dopepope
    • War isn't a defining Trek theme, and characters (officers) being assholes to each other isn't something we've ever seen in the main cast.i_monk
    • Voyager's Equinox episode also told us using aliens as disposable equipment is un-Starfleet.i_monk
    • But Seru was the only one who was in favor of that and he regretted it later.CyBrainX
    • I did not recognize Lydia. Good catch.CyBrainX
    • it's just bad tv. admit it.inteliboy
  • scarabin2

    half of star trek is cringe-worthy stuff. we love it because it's kitsch and we grew up on it. this show comes out and each episode looks like a full-on movie in terms of production value, the stories are solid, the characters and races build on previous incarnations and it's still a good time. no idea what you guys are complaining about, exactly

    you want what.... more corniness?

  • Gnash2

    Humans are just starting to understand this nearly invincible creature — and it's fascinating

    http://www.businessinsider.com/t…

    • How did Discovery get to the nebula to save Sarek without the Tartigrade? Or did they use regular warp?Akagiyama
    • They use their engineer's body now.ETM
    • How did I miss that? I thought he almost died when he did it.Akagiyama
    • I could be wrong, but I am sure it was referenced in a throwaway line. It wasn't shown.ETM
    • Huh! Thanks for the heads up, will pay more attention lol.Akagiyama
    • < Kanye?CyBrainX
  • ETM1

    So saying 'fuck' is cool now in Trek? A weak stunt to get social media buzz?

    • The word 'fuck' is the least this horrendous show's problems.Continuity
    • haven't seen the ep yet but reading that it was like hearing Wesley Crusher say 'fuck'... awkward and out of place for sure I'd think. :/PonyBoy
    • ^ haven't seen the episode yet...CyBrainX
    • and?PonyBoy
    • It was pointless and really added nothing. Low-brow attempt at humour. Thus a gimmick.ETM