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  • autoflavour

    so i just noticed this come up in my facebook feed. and reading them 1500+ comments, overwhelmingly in favour made me want to take an axe to the internet.

    seriously.. get it fucking together already.

  • utopian0

    Yuri is going to explode all over this thread!

    • doubt it. he'll just keep posting in Sciencesarahfailin
  • moldero3

    Im not antivax BUT there are some vaccinations that can wait depending on your child's situation, and some vaccination brands that aren't loaded with silver or mercury (depending on the vaccine)

    this book broke it all down for us and made it a hell of a lot easier:

    http://www.askdrsears.com/topics…

    • thats anitvax bro. lol.
      I think some vax you dont need to get. prob stick to major ones but i wouldnt get a vax in the US or by a US company.
      yurimon
    • how is getting your kid vaccinated antivax?moldero
    • moronmoldero
    • How many offspring do you have Yuri?utopian
  • Miguex3

    I guess the human race will never learn

  • monospaced2

    That "Mercury" in that minuscule portion of vaccines is actually in a non toxic form. Pathetic. Can't imagine how much disinformation is going around like this.

    • Yup, baby & toddler car seats should be banned...because a dozen babies are killed each year while in them.utopian
    • But wait...thousands of children are saved each year because they were buckled in their baby seat!utopian
    • ^ Children should be taught properly in schools to withstand a car accident. Blame education.Ianbolton
    • No child has ever been poisoned or injured by the Mercury compound in a vaccine.monospaced
    • I always give the safe type mercury to my children. did you know vaccines do cause temp inflammation maybe because metals are neurotoxins?.yurimon
    • I'm surprised that they don't use the safe kind of lead. the one that is safe for the nervous system.yurimon
    • The "mercury" in vaccines is called Thimerosal. Not even close to the toxic mercury we know. It's an organic compound, and not found in most vaccines at allmonospaced
    • Notes that Yurimon was likely vaccinated as a child and suddenly the antivaxor movement has traction.ETM
    • There has not been thimerosal in early childhood vaccines since 2001.sandbag
  • gilgamush7

    do you want people to talk you down from your position, go ahead, don't get your vaccines. darwin will reward you and your children with diseases we as a species beat decades ago. in fact, why not see this idiocy through and give up on modern medicine as a whole, don't half step. if all the medical professionals are lying to you about vaccines why wouldn't they be lying about everything else as well. cool beans brother, die of measles in the 21st century, not my fucking problem. i would like to think you are just trying to incite a riot with this drivel because the antivax stance is just patently stupid

    • It is your problem if their infected kids infect your kids.stoplying
    • yes, but i live in Massachusetts where people are educated to a fault and this shit is unheard ofgilgamush
    • but how could his kids be infected if they've been given lovely vaccines like good little citizens? What's the problem... ?set
    • i don't have a problem. this is darwin's way of culling people who are both uneducated and paranoidgilgamush
  • Hayoth-1

    Here is a nice link of the CDC testifying before congress on vaccines and autism.

    http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/…

    I had two family friends who's children were diagnosed with autism immediatley following the vaccine shots after birth. The hospital said their was no link. The parents disagreed and so do other professionals.

    Here is a congressman discussing mercury on CNN.
    http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/201…

    With all that being said Saying their is a 'safe mercury' is patently false.

    Even the CDC says it's unknown, can cause problems and research still needs to be done.
    http://www.cdc.gov/biomonitoring…

    • oh shut the fuck up. my nephew is on the spectrum so i've done my research. take the bullshit emotional appeals somewhere else. the timeline of when autism manigilgamush
    • manifests itself and the age you get specific vaccines is the only correlation. lawn care pesticides are the culprit, there is real science being donegilgamush
    • fucking dick wad alarmist, i hope your one of these poofs who has "opted out"gilgamush
    • look I've done the research fuckn ass smashing dick wad spunk, I will make my point clearer by insulting you snd ignoring your links /ssGeorgesII
    • yea, basically that is 100% what i just did there. well hey, i get upset when innocent children are the victim of stupid peoples paranoiagilgamush
    • at any rate, i am flattered that hayoth is emulating the phrases i use, taking notes i seegilgamush
    • IS your research papers done by the vaccine companies or the lobbyists gilga?yurimon
    • Yuri, you and I have been through this topic ad tedium, I shut you down using your own sources last time you started with this shitgilgamush
    • Do you remember thatgilgamush
    • its worth a look. I'm not happy with current health crisis such as autism. etc.yurimon
    • Look for other causes of autism because this isn't it. We did that dance alreadygilgamush
  • slappy1

    Both my kids are vaccinated so I'm not anti vaccinations by any means.

    Having said that, the system is retarded, they are grouping the vaccines together and giving them to children all at the same time instead of spreading them out as its cheaper / more manageable.

    We basically told our doctors that we wouldn't do it unless they split them up (2 at a time instead of 6) and they said that we would have to pay for them with no subsidy. This was ok with us and thats what we did.

    Our neighbours boy started having seizures where his body stopped like a statue and he didn't move or even blink for up to 10 seconds the day after his. His neurologist believes its from complications from his vaccinations.

    Vaccinations save millions of lives and complications are extremely rare.. It sucks if your child is the one who is negatively effected though. Its not a decision you should take lightly and parents have a right to be skeptical.

    • seizures aren't as bad as rubellagilgamush
    • Yeah, I seen similar problems. One baby had heart race like crazy had to go to the hospital after a vax. Everyone was freaked out. but was ok. I see allergiesyurimon
    • develop from at least 3 older ones within a week of a vax. To me i'm thinking its either doses or a something different from prior timesyurimon
    • It would good to review countries that have less problems in children n their methods. you'd find less vaccinations, and more health.yurimon
    • oh really?monospaced
    • i'd like to see a documented source.sarahfailin
    • You would find less lawn care pesticides and herbicides. The vaccine correlation is fictitiousgilgamush
    • I'm not saying don't vaccinate, I'm saying don't do 6 vaccines at the same time.slappy
    • ^ exactly. prob also pick more important ones.yurimon
    • pesticides are a problem also never know if one effects the other.yurimon
  • gilgamush-1

    yea, ill take the autism

    • You dont think its crazy that vaccine companies are immune from error with new laws and at the same time pushing compulsory vaccination laws? Ka-chin!yurimon
    • Nope, they are private corporations who are selling a product that saves lives. The mandatory vax laws get shot down every time, nothing to fret about budgilgamush
    • vaccines are one of the least profitable ways for a pharm company to make money. way more profitable to treat your disease for a lifetime.sarahfailin
  • deathboy0

    I'm strangely fine with antivaxors. I don't think they should vaccinate if they don't want too. Much like people who rely on vaccines. I think some of those vaccines are better left to natural selection but if they want to vaccinate that is fine. I don't see the real big deal here since most of the vaccine exist for pretty weak shit, and if they do kill u could call that "green" living because less people less pollution and what not. All about being a fuckin hippy and finding that balance with ones environment. Not really worth arguing about.

  • GeorgesII0

    ok, I get it now,

    people who do not genuinely believe that global warming/climate change is exclusively cause by men should be shot or at least brought into carbon free zone,

    everyone who also believe that vaccines should not be forced down the throat of those who do not wish to take them should also be shot they are ANTIVAXORZ and will be the cause of the next measle outbreak (btw, vaccinated people are totally immune to measle and can't catch it, google it!!!)

    one more thing for sure, people who use drugs any drugs, even recreationally should be locked up, especially weed smokers, they often do it presence of their CHILDREN, it is not safe, weed causes damage to the brain and uncontrollable laughter, it is not safe for our kids and god knows how much we should protect the little one from its diabolical influence

    ooh and btw those FAT fatty people, it's not that I disagree with their style of life, but they pollute, consume and shit more than everyone else on this planet, if anyone should go first, it should be them.

    I'm not that guy, but africans haven't really contributed a lot to the modern society and it's not that I dislike them, but when you think about it, we should not be letting them FREELOAD on technology and science we have developed here in the west.

    I'm not being controversial though,

    think about it, why stop with global vaccines deniers, let's push it one step further, this world is filled with people who are slacking and do not think of the greater good,

    I do,

    and you should too

    • If evidence shows that climate change is happening and could be disastrous, should we NOT call out uninformed people who pretend it's not happening?yuekit
    • Your argument basically applies to anything. Someone could just as well say you want feminists to be shot since you disagree with them.yuekit
    • Since when calling out someone that doesn't not want to listen to your facts ever worked, I think we should gradually move to plan BGeorgesII
    • Why are you ignoring the problem ukit, you know full well only a final solution will work with these Deniers!!GeorgesII
    • exactly, if you're going to force people to take vaccines that they believe will give them a worst quality or life or kill them, why not just kill them??GeorgesII
    • So basically people can't disagree without being accused of literally wanting to kill the other side? Seems a little sillyyuekit
    • no uekit, it doesn't work like this, you do not disagree with someone when you force them to take something against their will. so according to you prisoners inGeorgesII
    • guantanamo have a disagreement about their treatment, it's not torture, just a disagreement, I really can't fathom why some can not see the slippery slopeGeorgesII
    • pro vaxer: I disagree with you, please let me stick a needle in your arm against your will. this is not what disagreement means and you know it full wellGeorgesII
    • So how does that equate to killing people or Holocaust?yuekit
    • If people don't want to get vaccinated fine, but in that case they shouldn't be allowed to put other kids at risk by going to school with themyuekit
    • but the disagreement isn't simply with another person, it's with scientific evidence and the fact that vaccinations WILL save your life.Fax_Benson
    • Fax science is dictated by the ethics of those who make it, knowning that 80% of scientific research is funded by corporations, I kinda have to go on a limb andGeorgesII
    • say altruism is not what they are aiming to. I have nothing against/pro vaccines, but I do not understand those who put their faith in something they will notGeorgesII
    • able to control once started.GeorgesII
    • Scientific evidence, once you decided that anything is for the greater good, what stops you to do this same train of thoughts about everything that is retardedGeorgesII
    • alcohol should be banned, it kills more people that any outbreak combines, fat people are killing this planet (sigh) and children themselve are one of the biggeGeorgesII
    • contributor to polluting this planet, how about we make it that only a certain people with chosen genes get to procreate. Lets not cherrypick the science weGeorgesII
    • Alcohol has negative effects on your health over many years, in some cases. It doesn't effect other peoples lives, pretty big difference there.yuekit
    • If you send your unvaccinated kid out into a public school with other kids you are putting other peoples lives at risk.yuekit
    • But according to you someone is literally Hitler or Stalin for pointing this outyuekit
    • alcohol doesn't effect other peoples lives, are you serious mate or you just trolling me at this point,GeorgesII
    • why are people so over dramatic over vaccines, if you don't vaccine you're putting the entire society at risk, but I'm asking you what is better forcing peopleGeorgesII
    • to take a vaccine agaisnt their will or giving them the choice? I ask again, where do we stop, I wouldn't stop at unvaccinated, they are groups I'd like to getGeorgesII
    • rid off too, what should stop me, when the science of obesity, alcohol, iq, apparently is set.. tell me why do you believe we should only target vaxorz?GeorgesII
    • You seem to be saying that we can't draw the line anywhere, the only choice is between regulating everything or nothing. Should be obvious why that isn't theyuekit
    • case, of course societies have to use judgement about what makes sense and what doesn't.yuekit
    • If you are so confident in vaccination then how are putting other people at risk? the outbreaks reported so far are from people who are vaccinated already.yurimon
    • Nobody with a brain wants big brother dictating what's best for them but yet the same wack jobs who have a hissy fit about mandatory vaxes are the same ones pragilgamush
    • Praying for the socialists to hand them free schools, healthcare and senior services. Mmm the irony. This g2 post is a hyperbole of paranoid delusion, get a grigilgamush
    • Grip pal. If you want to be an obese junky African alcoholic Greenpeace antivaxor than go right a fucking head, that's your prerogativegilgamush
    • Nobody is paranoid. peoples observation is valid. however it would be good if you can have study to validate, but you can blame people. your not exactly livingyurimon
    • in a utopia, uncorrupted and with best intentions. its oke to take precautions of course you get dif extremes. chillax mangyurimon
    • ^^cantyurimon
    • ^what happened to 'never edit?' who cares, can vs can't? it's all the same dribble.sarahfailin
    • I won't chillax because we have already been down this rabbit hole and all your so called evidence contradicts the ridiculous point you try to makegilgamush
    • Its possible that children are over vaccinated. there is such a thing, also quality. I'm not against vaccines. I think there are attributes worth investigating,yurimon
    • cause there are many observations that might be valid, that ive seen and others have seen.yurimon
    • Investigation is a good thing, you need evidence before you can in good conscience claim there is a link between the two. That is just irresponsible. Observatiogilgamush
    • Observations alone hold no weight. If you have no experimental results than stop disseminating unfounded conclusionsgilgamush
    • Brobrogilgamush
  • autoflavour1

    at least once a month at our kindy we havesome sort of warning about some sort of diesese being in the kita... Rubella, Measles, Chicken Pox.. all fucking preventable. Fortunately our kid has been vaccinated, but the problem is our baby hasnt fully yet, so even tho we believe in the greater good over whack jobs, our kid is still in danger. fucking selfish ignorant fucktards.

    i very very very rarely agree with the current Australian government, but their recent law saying children MUST be vaccinated before going into childcare is good.

    • kindy/kita = childcareautoflavour
    • yo auto, I do not think you fully understand how vaccine work, if you believe children will never contract a disease because they are vaccinated http://www.latiGeorgesII
    • so u have right to childcare over others based on your beliefs? why dont they have rights over you and childcare? and if vaccines really work no worries right?deathboy
    • I get your side but i dont think youre really viewing the flipside as you would if you were on it.deathboy
    • sometimes in respecting other peoples rights u might risk your best interests. Hence why slave owners preferred not to give up slavery.deathboy
    • fuck that.. just vaccinate your children you pig ignorant fuckwadsautoflavour
    • because babies cant be vaccinated until at least 6months, and even then you need to make sure the baby is healthy at the time.. no flu etc..autoflavour
    • so because your "right" to choose means my un-immunised 6 month old has no rights?autoflavour
    • and i get how vaccines work, but its like saying condoms are only work 97% of the time, so i might as well not wear one.autoflavour
    • You could still get sick even if vax your kids or is vaccinated. Also % are alot lower of it being effective if the strain changes.yurimon
    • Some vaccines only handle particular strains so that also lowers probability of it working.yurimon
    • Also at the heart of current outbreak panics, people who got vaccines were the ones responsible for the outbreaks. we should quarantine the vaccinated?yurimon
    • just not the right to force others to vaccinate auto. got the right to choose a daycare that only accepts vaccinated kids thoughdeathboy
    • Hypocrite extraordinaireset
  • MrT0

    There's an excellent section in this book about the subsequent extrapolation, exaggeration and misinterpretation of the flaky research that made the original autism connection in the UK, in 1998.

    • It also rips apart 'Dr' Gillian McKeith, which worked for me.MrT
    • Your paper or words written on a paper are better then my words written on a paper?yurimon
    • Anyone's words are better than yours. You can hardly string together a coherent sentence.Continuity
    • Yuri I made no claims of its merit, just pointed the timing which basically precedes all the fuss about it in the UK.MrT
  • GeorgesII0

    I got my kid vaccinated because my point in bringing him in this life is too try to give him an excellent quality of life.

    But as I pointed above there are groups of people who are also quite detrimental to the greater good, what should we do with them,

    I gave a solution, but most here are pussyfooting around the issue, you don't want your little precious jewel to catch any diseases from anti vaxors,

    what is your solution, they are already creating 2 classes of citizens, why should we stop there, there are so many categories of people we should do away with because science doesn't consider them productive for society, what should we do with them?

    I'm not comparing pro vaxers to hitler or stalin like some are hinting, but I want to be serious here, they were the only one to be serious enough to push their crazy beliefs to the extreme,

    why can't pro vaccines tell me what we should do to the second class of citizen?

    • this is a genuine question I haven't seen any pro/anti vaccine responds honestly, so I ask again, what should we do against those who stay contrarianGeorgesII
    • FEMA campsautoflavour
    • yep auto,
      that seems like a correct answer
      GeorgesII
    • By no means Compulsory vaccination is not lobbied by no oneyurimon
    • I really don't think your view that this is about two classes of people makes sense. This is about educationmonospaced
    • by education, you mean compulsory indoctrination? There is no one way to do something you know. Conveniently whatever benefits few companies is always the propryurimon
    • mode of action. and you are going to vote for bernie? civil rights?yurimon
    • @mono, so anyone who doesn't want anything they disagree with injected into their body is badly educated and only the intelligent are right.. what's the wordGeorgesII
    • again, yep it's Chutzpah, it kinda freaks me out the number of people who go ahead and think it's totally normal to force your views on others, while blamingGeorgesII
    • religious people of doing the same. I can't wait for the roles to be reversed and see how free thinking everyone still isGeorgesII
    • no, Georges, but I do think there is a lot of misinformation going around about what's in vaccines, and a proper education would help reduce unnecessary fearsmonospaced
    • I'm not forcing any views, am I? If someone doesn't want the vaccines, there's no law forcing them to take them, but they aren't as dangerous as the 'net saysmonospaced
    • I, just like you and yurimon, believe strongly in being well informed. I concede that my source of info is just as subjective as anyone else's thoughmonospaced
    • G2 don't plat coy. You were talking about final solutions, no one is hinting, you came out and said it and shame on you for doing sogilgamush
    • So far my well informativeness says, more studies needed because industrial model one size fits all doesnt work and so is compulsory vaccination not a good signyurimon
    • * playgilgamush
    • I'm pretty sure vaccinations do work :)monospaced
    • Paging alex jonesfadein11
  • inteliboy0

    The internet is having this vomit inducing effect of small idiotic minorities having a very loud voice, snowballing in more idiotic people growing in size and becoming even louder. These are not just letters to the local paper anymore, but full grown movements stampeding around with their precious little feelings and civil rights hurt for whatever idiotic reason. Frustrating.

    Just look at how much yuri constantly takes over the conversation on this website, everyone falling for it all. One single guy somehow derails thread after thread.

    • hmmm so instead of debating the idea of pro/anti vaccines you prefer to discuss yuri even though he hasn't posted in this thread? am I getting this right??GeorgesII
    • the fact that it's even a thing is my point, that this is now even a thread on qbn is disheartening.inteliboy
    • Yea because don't think for yourself, just listen to the state and be a good little citizen. That's your stance? Fucking cunt.set
    • God you are a ranting prick lol. Both of you. Post a pic of yaself as you both love doing. Dildosfadein11
  • yurimon-3

    I dont mean to be like yurimon but I deserve this one rant, this seems like a safe place for me to do so.

    I think there is some interesting points made on dosage and prob more investigation needed on effects, vs people who arent vaccinated. its less likely you will have a big anti business study, but as soon as politics and money comes to the for front, the trust factor drops. Especially with current gov track record in the pharmaceutical dept.

    so far all the feared potential outbreaks effected people who were vaccinated.

    If you read the vaccine labeling it specifically states the strain the vaccine is against. in the example hpv vaccine, its one of 40 other strains.
    your chances of it working decreases with increased strain types.

    Other issue like someone mentioned, who makes the choice of when its over kill or if someone is over vaccinated? A demand for an authority over see ones body? if the state sees a public safety concern to vaccinate it would be a choice strictly made on vigorous safety studies?. what could go wrong? These guys dont lie or have no special interest capabilities to deceive for $
    we wouldnt have this freedom if that was the case to choose? em i right?

    Another issue, is there was law passed that exempts vaccine manufacturers from damages if a vaccine damages or causes problems. After this law all of a sudden you have mandatory vaccination push. Nobody sees the red flag here of what could happen if a business is exempt legally and you must by law get the standard over doses?

    Be careful what you wish for: I say this because once a "free" society starts to demand people to take compulsory action punishable by law, its practically over, especially if you want your body to be your property. that is ultimate freedom is owning yourself.

    So imagine giving an authority that claims to be all knowing and is practically smarter then you, because it bares the title goberment.
    What will happen in the long term if you lose your right to your body? practically thats what it is. Your inviting yourself to be a big lab rat. Think of what could happen if a company decides to change your dna via vaccine? either if accidental? who is responsible. is it defensible?

    we could claim public safety all we want.. in the end its someones authoritative choice that prob in the future will seem heavy handed and wrong because of the motives dont match the advertised intent.

    • The notion that you as the consumer have the responsibility of informing yourself basically chopps down three quarters of this rant. The the last bit I agree wigilgamush
    • The you to an extent, and yet the gubment tells me i have to buy their mandatory health care with my tax dollars, but social equality is so womderfull rightgilgamush
    • Big brother wants you to hand over your personal responsibility to them. That's a problem. Vaccines though, not a problem, just a bunch of misinformed loud moutgilgamush
    • Mouthsgilgamush
    • http://www.hrsa.gov/…
      http://www.hrsa.gov/…
      yurimon
    • oh for fucks sake yurimon, are you an idiot or a troll. there are people who have allergies to the vaccines, thats what the fund is for. there are people who argilgamush
    • are allergic to penicillin as well, so fucking what, is penicillin bad now too according to you. jeesus, such a reactionary yuri, use your headgilgamush
    • Your advocating one size fits all solution? common dude. your better then this. but they will break the law if not vaccinated.yurimon
    • there is an overkill of amount of vaccination? Alot of people react to what happened to someone they know.yurimon
    • If you observe people getting sick after vaccination, changes or developing conditions such as allergies. after vax. will you trust.yurimon
    • i am advocating personal responsibility and personal choice. if you want to make wild inferences about the effect of vaccines based on the existence of a wrongfgilgamush
    • or your observation is fake?yurimon
    • wrongful death compensation fund for people who didn't know they have an allergy, then you do that. nobody is forcing you, you can make whatever wild conclusiongilgamush
    • conclusions you like. the entire medical community says you are wrong but fuck them, a couple of housewives and former sales reps for big pharma know more thangilgamush
    • the god damned medical professionals. yeesh, how many times are we going to do this yuri. the antivax thing is so without meritgilgamush
    • implied causality vs. countless medical studies saying there is no causal link. you really don't have a leg to stand on palgilgamush
    • You dont know if its without merit, it needs an unbiased look to find out for sure.yurimon
    • c'mon yurimon, admit it, there's no "look" that you would EVER consider unbiased. The unbiased studies show vaccines are a good thing, btw.monospaced
    • but since they are well-funded, and come from top scientists in the field, you automatically assume they are pharma propagandamonospaced
    • For some reason, you seem to think the fringe studies are the most unbiased, even if they are full of spelling mistakes and anecdotal evidence.monospaced
  • ernexbcn2

    A 6 year old kid died recently around here from diphtheria, his parents were anti vaccination. It was the 1st case since 1986.

    I can't even comprehend what must have gone through the parents minds all the days the kid was at intensive care trying to be saved by the doctors to have their child finally die because they didn't apply the vaccines.

    Back when I started to get online in BBS and then on the internet I thought this whole thing was going to help spread knowledge. Of course it does, but it's also the most effective tool to spread nonsense and stupidity.

    Vaccinate your kids.

    • it blows my mind that they are millions of american children living in abject poverty and some of them even dying from it, but let's ignore them and focus onGeorgesII
    • the antivaxers because I guess it sells more newspapers.. so fuckn sad, http://www.latimes.c…GeorgesII
    • if only there was a movement to force those parents to feed their children.. or invest money in giving them a better health, but once again infections a scarierGeorgesII
    • what are you on about now. its called food pantries, and they provide over 3 billion meals a year to americans, tell me again how we are ignoring it. you are sogilgamush
    • full of shit pall. eat a snickers. first trying to liken this situation to genocide and now this. do you actually have something to say or are you just out to igilgamush
    • incite some kind of knee jerk emotional reaction with this nonsensegilgamush
    • lol, dude. its called precaution. Do you trust big pharma for your long term cure without side effects? I would get vaccines from the US manufactureryurimon
    • i think Georges approach bit more sane if you focus ultimate health of children, maybe they will have better immune systems. what if thats was the answer?yurimon
    • we need to see if thats better.yurimon
    • lol gilgamushGeorgesII
    • long term cure? what are you talking about, used to infect like 20% of kids under 5 until about 1930, when they introduced a vaccine ..autoflavour
    • There are many efforts being made to combat child hunger. Vaccinations are another way we save children's lives. They can be separate issues.monospaced
    • George is a troll and Yuri can't help himself but to play devil's advocate on absolutely anything that he sees as conventional wisdom. A modern day Descartes wigilgamush
    • With more than a touch of schizophreniagilgamush
    • not really, its pretty clear there is an issue just a question of more anal sis. Capisce?
      no Capisce? there need more detail work for people who get bad effect
      yurimon
    • s, personally know someone who died right after vaccine. there is no study for these effects. sometimes people go the doc. something is wrong and they cant findyurimon
    • because it doesnt fit conventional protocol. So mo study mo info needed with a different approach.yurimon
    • In science, when you get findings that don't support your hypothesis, you discard the hypothesis and make a new one, you are stuck on a failed hypothesisgilgamush
    • People are making observations with children getting permanent health effects after the vax. its easy to say no without investigation and dismiss it not scientyurimon
    • ific.yurimon
    • These are statistical outliers, anecdotes. Nothing to reinforce your supposed causal link. Throw some numbers at me, or did last time make you hesitant to postgilgamush
    • Post linksgilgamush
    • Ah the old camping someone a troll because they have a different opinion to you approach. Fucking cunts abound in this thread.set
    • Lol. Camp away. Have a kid and then see how you feel about it. Childless eternal slackers commenting on paremtal issues ha. Fuck off.fadein11
  • sarahfailin0

    *yawn* how do you guys go on and on like this? do you enjoy this?

    • debates?yurimon
    • +1 for sarahfailin, agreedprophetone
    • I enjoy winning. Lol. No it just pains me to see people spread irresponsible pseudoscience at children's expencegilgamush
  • yurimon-4

    this what i think of when you say Anti-vax

    cause something sux. hehe

    • Now I get it. You think people are against where you like to stick your knob. (Not the one on your head.)MrT
  • hans_glib0

    • yeah they look young enough for the hpv vaccine. immunization has never been so sexysarahfailin
  • mg331

    Our daughter is 7 1/2 months old now, and when we knew that vaccines were coming soon we talked to her pediatrician about spreading them out. I think they acted like they'd never heard of the Robert Sears schedule, and talked with us rationally about the schedule the CDC recommends, and what our alternative choice was. My wife took her for those appointments, and I think we went with the same vaccine combinations they suggested, but spreading them out more.

    I really can't remember the details, but the Sears schedule combines different vaccines and spreads them out. So, what she got so far (2 appointments so far) are what the CDC recommends, just spaced as far apart as we can.

    • good parenting mate, the longer you wait the better it will be for your childGeorgesII
    • yup, thats what we didmoldero