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What a great debate! Just spend several minutes reading this and thoroughly enjoyed the discussion. Now, let me get back to looking at some pics of cats...
A little better then religion debates.
However science isnt the end all know all. Its has been abused politically and militarily.
Like the whole global warming fiasco. Even though alot of discoveries have been made, big corp interests still keep certain industries in check. like automobile and energy. You should be teleporting already. but you still use gas because you make the Rockefeller's money and they tax the shit out of gas also.
Yes it a method but it can also be used as propaganda. and people can believe the fallacies. just like religion trying to control what people do and think. Ideologies and methods change but for the most part your still little serfs in a system kept in check.
- and i can use a spoon outside of its intended purpose to kill a man. that doesn't make spoons bad. the use you're mentioning is a problem of society, not of sciencescarabin
- a problem of society, not of sciencescarabin
- < what scara saidinteliboy
- What are you going to do about it, now that you are so enlightened about this problem?yurimon
- i'm going to do what any scientist would and carefully consider the source and methods used to come to conclusionsscarabin
- What Scarabin says...bobkat
- Not a thing you said changes the fact that science is not a belief system.monospaced
You know what else has been abused "politically and militarily"? EVERYTHING. Humanity, economics, nature, culture, belief systems etc etc...
- True, question what you going to do about it?yurimon
- what are you doing about it, yuri?scarabin
- besides pretend it's somehow the result of the scientific methodscarabin
- I' trying to build an organization to help people.yurimon
- what are you trying to do about it? besides smoking crack you bought with bitcoins. lolyurimon
- excuse me?scarabin
- only a cornered dog needs to snap like that. let's stay on topic.scarabin
- do corn dogs have a sense of humor.?yurimon
- why, did you say something funny?scarabin
- Why you got offended?yurimon
- not at allscarabin
- it's just hard to take you seriously when you're making cheesy schoolyard shots instead of actually addressing a topicscarabin
- you started lol...yurimon
- bullshit. everything i've said was related to the topicscarabin
- you're just scratching and kicking because you have no actual valid arguments.scarabin
- I made plenty of valid arguments. you just want to believe.yurimon
- there's nothing to believe when it comes to reason and observationscarabin
Serious question Yurimon - what have you done to combat abuse of the scientific system? I am not being sarcastic, I seriously want to know how you go about the process of changing it all? It's not like I can switch brands, since most are owned by several conglomerates...everything from food to fuel.
- Actually good question. I tried organizational approach. to much politics and resource issues.yurimon
- I'm thinking my own organization. but I'm stuck on how I could help because I do see it as an education issue primarilyyurimon
- Maybe all post to ask yallyurimon
- Thanks for that. Maybe get in to teaching mate? Start at the grass root level?bobkat
Do about it? Do about Science? What needs to be done? I'm going to absolutely nothing.
tell us about your anti-science organization, yuri
^ the Amish
I've re-read some of the message posted here and can't wrap my head around the argument that some people are blaming society for the bad thing derived from science,
I'd like to remind everyone that the point of this thread wasn't really to say science bad, religion good or vice versa,
the point of it was to prove or disprove that the practice of the scientific method unto the unwashed masses (including myself) is a belief system and I think we kinda of forgot about it,
now we can say ad nauseum that science is perfect, that only the mistakes of men makes it flawed, the point still stays that it is our belief in what we can accomplish with it, that makes it good or bad,
it is our belief in the current system and our closed mindedness that keep us from escaping this cage or pseudo rationality,
we are the observers and thus what we think effects what we will create, science may be perfect, but we aren't, even if tomorrow somehow we managed to find all the secret to life we'll still fuck it up because it's in our nature to fuck things up and I believe we can't approach the natural world with only a scientific pov,
the thing is I actually don't care if science is a belief system or not, but I just can't stop myself from provoking arguments and rabble, yet I am fascinated by the blind faith you put in the scientific world,
anywyas, I'm going to bed coz I just watched the wolverine, it's late and I'm tired,
ps: I want an Adamantium armor, night
- What will you do with your new armor? Good or bad? Please, don't say bad.ESKEMA
- I just watched Man of Steel. I want to be able to fly.ESKEMA
- Fanatics always ruin everything. Fuck 'emESKEMA
- Off course I'll do bad things,
no more waiting in line for my coffee!!
1. When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
2. The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
3. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
OK, so what does a "non scientific" approach look like?
Do you sit around and meditate for the answer? Do you use intuition and feelings instead of rationality?
I'm really curious to hear the answers to this... :)
All this criticism of science and yet I hear no alternative to figuring out similar problems that isn't science. People also seem unwilling to embrace any particular religion, since that's been mostly discredited. So what are we left with? Just some vague new age sense that "there must be more to the world" than what we can see and measure directly. But this is not really a criticism of science...
- they look like tesla., he was a intuitive.yurimon
- you honestly think tesla didn't use the scientific method?scarabin
- not 100% he was intuitive unless his writing or quotes are fake. he talked about how he did it.yurimon
- he might have brainstormed to get started but I'm pretty sure he performed test and experimentsukit2
- he had the whole thing already visualized before he built it. not scientific at all. and admitted knowledge from the etheryurimon
- he took shit further then anyone as far where we are from shit he made and was stolen from him.yurimon
- wireless light bulb late 1800's intuitive bitches http://www.teslasoci…yurimon
- So you're saying Tesla was psychic and designed everything perfect the first time?ukit2
- Tesla was a famous inventor. Has it occurred to you that maybe he exaggerated some of these stories for PR reasons?ukit2
- “Instinct is something which transcends knowledge. We have, undoubtedly, certain finer fibers that enable us to perceive truths when logical deduction, or any other willful effort of the brain, is futile.” ~ Nikola Teslayurimon
- when logical deduction, or any other willful effort of the brain, is futile.”
~ Nikola Teslayurimon
- is it true? even einstien "imagination more important then knowledge. "yurimon
- No one is saying don't use imagination. How do you think modern day scientists come up with new ideas?ukit2
- Einstein and Tesla were both scientists.inteliboy
- The world isn't black and white. Scientists don't have evil agendas. And many hold spiritual beliefs.inteliboy
- where you get that from? neither all science lack intuitionyurimon
- Some truth about Nikola Tesla
- But still. Science isn't a belief system. It's just a fancy word for "figuring out how shit works."monospaced
- So do you believe in science mono 100%? the skeptiod doesnt say much it ref list suxyurimon
This is my knobservation:
Reality is an infinitely complex terrain stretching across an un-ending plane, a rugged surface with deep valleys and mountains taller we are able to imagine. Our perception of reality is a cloth laid over the surface. We desire for these two surfaces to meet - as we progress, we smooth and work the cloth into the faceted shapes below. Where the cloth is close to surface, it reveals the forms beneath, and our perception of reality in these areas is clear. But taking a closer look, we find a finer complexity upon which the cloth does not lie.
So... science isn't a belief system then. It's just a fancy word for "figuring out how shit works." Okay. Good. I know it was hard to grasp but we got there. Figuring out how shit works. That's it.
- Just figuring shit out instead of getting superstitious.monospaced
- Yogis did that also. There are ancient texts that inspired science.yurimon
- Yogis did that also. There are ancient texts that inspired science.yurimon
- So what? Science still isn't a belief.monospaced
- tell that to the vedic yogis or swamis.yurimon
- If someone uses science in a religion good for them. Still doesn't change that science isn't a belief system in itselfmonospaced
- there was no concept of science back then it was considered sacredyurimon
- Science regardless. I consider the truth sacred too. Not a belief system, just more knowledge.monospaced
- There was no concept of gravity either. Did things float around weightlessly?hereswhatidid
- People understood natural forces.yurimon
- give it up, "dawg" you're arguments are nonsense at this point and you're just trying to fade outhereswhatidid
Our reality is a GUI, the Universe is DOS.
Great thread, if only we could discuss utopian's love for bronies in the same manner :P
This was part of religion.
- Sounds more like math to meukit2
- Part of Hinduism in form of sutras...yurimon
- what Hindu scientific method created vedic math thousands of years ago?yurimon
- People did. Using their brains. It's not hard to grasp.monospaced
- they used meditation etc. introspectively, not by scientific method thoughyurimon
- So what? Math is just truth. It's not a belief system just because the Hindus used it.monospaced
- It's not like it came to them through a fucking supernatural god or some stupid shit like that. Those were some smart guys.monospaced
- Hindu believe god of creation having a dream etc. so go figure. sound pretty supa natural to me.yurimon
- and modern science will dispute introspective observation as bolonie not science.yurimon
- It superstitious at best. I bet they felt special figuring out advanced mathematics. Still doesn't mean it's supernatural.monospaced
- yurimon why don't you go meditate and come up with a cure for cancer then...ukit2
- since that works so well...ukit2
- I don't see anything related to vedic maths that are remotely supernatural in their origin.hereswhatidid
- its part of Hinduism dawg. a religion.yurimon
- the natives medicine men say the plants told them the cures and some of them work..yurimon
- and? does that make it magic or supernatural? not at allhereswhatidid
- medicine men are just the lucky ones that happened to eat the non-poisonous plantshereswhatidid
- the others were too dead to be successful at practicinghereswhatidid
Yuri's guest appearance on television
courtesy of science! :D