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I'm sick of this bullshit. Hope he gets fired. Having a bad day doesn't excuse for none of this attitude. Fuck the rotten, may they all burn to the ground.
Does everyone feel better now? Your egos have all ballooned a bit? Had your warm milk?
Everyone can sleep at ease tonight knowing the QBN Goon Squad is on the job. Maybe someone can post his personal address or post some more images of him. Shit, let's drag his family into it too!
bit of a dick move. but happens to designers all the time. Don't think it warrants burning his house down.
- Thanks for being one of the rare people here with a conscious.MarleyMarl
- Yes it does, because he's a dick. He should have been polite. I've long exhausted my patience for this crap attitude, and you'reESKEMA
- Feeding them reasons to continue with this mal practices and non respect for others work and time.ESKEMA
It would be interesting to see if anyone actually responds to an offer like this.
"Hi, I have a great project for you to work on. It's a major international ad campaign. The bad news is that due to budget constraints, you will have to work completely for free as my slave. Sound good buddy?"
- It will lead to future work..ukit2
- I do it freebie if i had the time and it was something i liked.deathboy
- for a big agency and big client? no fucking wayernexbcn
- If the agency is the one benefiting from the pitch, why should the designer or artist cover the cost?ukit2
- no cost too me but time. i cant compare what i get out of it compared to the agency. jsut if the gain is worth my timedeathboy
- deathboy, are you fresh out of school?dbloc
- Time is moneymonospaced
Nope dbloc never went to school. Just got into it because it paid more than driving forklifts. And was easier. Been designing random shit outside day job for free for about ten years. Day job doesn't provide me the opportunities to do the work I would like, however provides me financial security in a easy work environment.
My take on the situation is the grey dude probably offered the guy an opportunity he thought would work for both parties benefits. The guy replied with a vibe of being insulted, and it insulted the grey dude. Both made rash decisions on feelings.
If the guy made the offer to me. I'd look at the time it would take. If I had available time I'd take it on with conditions. That he'd understand this is for free which means I get paid by satisfaction in the work i do. Means I will happily say fuck off if the project creeps or goes in a direction I'm not feelin. And that they'd need to explain that to the client ahead of time that if they didn't have the funds they will have to compromise there desires for mine. That is the cost.
Personally I'd like the connections and a major brand in my portfolio. Exposure is a wildcard. It might open doors, but experience is that is usually a small chance. But there is the brand recognition and credibility that goes with it. And if u stand by the work the better the deal is.
And if you think about it the advertising industry with its interns already has a slave type service. A fucked up social conditioning that one must pay their dues. They went to school and now have no practical skill or experience. In my case I might have done this awhile but don't have the credibility of a large agency to have been a slave too, or a client base where i worked on projects for free to build portfolio. Im working backwards getting a job with little credibility and employment based on a slim portfolio of projects i probably did for self promo, or free labor. Now employment is secure I am trying to build a better portfolio with larger clients. So that is why I would personally take it, .. if it met criteria of something i wanted or if the brand name would be a stepping stone and something id be proud to use for work besides just brand name. Id weigh out my values vs time.
Its really not something to demonize the guy for asking. He probably had the intention of doing a favor and was bitch slapped with the response and responded like a vagina. I'd be happy to be asked and if I started to be asked where i didn't have the time for such things I'd say nope sorry I need money if you want it. Supply and demand.
I also get the protectionism involved. If people will do free work that is less than great, at less cost, it kills the people who do great work. But that is the world of economics and supply and demand. Look at stock photography, pc's, or anything really. If you can provide a above par product at a reduced rate, you will sell more. The slight loss in quality perceived by 20% of people isnt worth the added cost to please the top 20%. Good graphics which is so arbitrary in what is good is becoming a commodity.
As long as the juice is worth the squeeze its a good move. But you need to know what you value. And decide for yourself. The guy decided it wasn't worth it and exposed it. Will it work out for him or not is to be seen. He of course chose it would be in his best interest to expose it and hoped or thought it would be more beneficial to him.
- One of the great things they teach you in school is how to summarizeukit2
- only if all info could be summed up in 144 characters. im sure hemingway would have loved it.deathboy
- or actually hate the fact of the instant gratification of a culture who wants summary of agreeable infodeathboy
- totally misses the point with huge essayfadein11
- Yeah guys, 144 characters.nb
- "I'd say nope sorry I need money if you want it" Isn't this what the guy did say?animatedgif
- lol, I love QBNformed
only you can prevent forest fires.
"And if you think about it the advertising industry with its interns already has a slave type service. A fucked up social conditioning that one must pay their dues."
Was chatting to some creative who was quite high up at one of the most successful agencies in the country. She was laughing about how interns there mostly served coffee to meeting rooms for 1-2 years before they do anything and everyone had to intern (unless you were being hired into management).
I pointed out that in the age of startups where you're hired for talent because they want to use you right now isn't it a bit fucking stupid to hire someone for their abilities then not put them to use for at least a year.
Her response was "WELL I HAD TO DO IT SO THEY SHOULD TOO"
what a stupid cunt
Has anyone called the police?
reminds me of that classic animated gif about doing a website for free. can't find it.
I used to work in that building.
I no longer do.
the only reason this happens is because people put up with it, take the work, and like not getting paid for the opportunity of, "exposure."
the industry has operated like this for awhile.
this thread gave me celiac's disease
The statement about digital art was racist. Canvases don't make art any more real.
There needs to be a class action lawsuit
Douche of the day goes to Roy Torres.