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- kingkong0
Quote the guardian and you'll never get a balanced picture.
"You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong....
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich....
You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves."
- and the torygraph is balanced?lowimpakt
- HAHAHA, dismiss the Guardian as unbalanced, quote the Telegraph. Internet gold. Why not throw in the Mail for true equilibrium!Wolfboy
- Mail & Express, that's balanced, surely ? Because there are 2 of them.mikotondria3
- ah.... what about the SUN?!?!?vaxorcist
- Ianbolton0
The longer you're in power, the more hatred you can build up for yourself. I know, as a liberal working class male, she was a total bastard at times, but I can't think of any government in the last 35 years who's actually finished their tenure with a country full of happy faces. Politics is a twisted, fucked up world. But then you watch The Thick of It and it makes you feel so much better!
- vaxorcist0
Gerry Adams
Margaret Thatcher did great hurt to the Irish and British people during her time as British prime minister. Working class communities were devastated in Britain because of her policies. Her role in international affairs was equally belligerent whether in support of the Chilean dictator Pinochet, her opposition to sanctions against Apartheid South Africa; and her support for the Khmer Rouge.
Here in Ireland her espousal of old draconian militaristic policies prolonged the war and caused great suffering. Her failed efforts to criminalise the republican struggle and the political prisoners is part of her legacy. It should be noted that in complete contradiction of her public posturing, she authorised a back channel of communications with the Sinn Fein leadership but failed to act on the logic of this. Unfortunately she was faced with weak Irish governments who failed to oppose her securocrat agenda or to enlist international support in defence of citizens in the north.
Margaret Thatcher will be especially remembered for her shameful role during the epic hunger strikes of 1980 and 81. Her Irish policy failed miserably.
- Gerry Adams was also a total cockgoldieboy
- I preferred Adams when he looked like http://www.clker.com…detritus
- i prefer him when he spoke funny._me_
- kingkong0
You know the whole Gerry Adams IRA thing gets on my nerves these days. It's like the whole thing never happened.
I grew up in Preston and Warrington and come from Galway, so im well qualified to comment having been surrounded by bombs going off all over the north west. Spent most of my time being beaten up as a kid in school for being a terrorist :)
To quote him strikes me as odd and all the papers did yesterday.
"Murdering terrorist cunt gerry adams didnt like it when thatcher went after him." He wasn't a freedom fighter, just a thug much like most of his mates.
Funny how the IRA more or less disappeared overnight after 9/11. Somehow their main source of funding being east coast Irish groups in the USA, didn't think it would be that smart to fund a terrorist organisation
Irony is that Irish americans still laud him, but as an Irish Briton so to speak I despise that bloke.
It one of the things she got absolutely spot on. "We'll talk when you renounce violence"
- +1, it's hypocritical for either side to lay the blame t the feet of the others - shit was centuries of festering..detritus
- ..which is to say, he should'ver been the bigger guy and just shut the fuck up. Of course, he's not though.detritus
- totally, but i'd say thatcher's policies here could be partly responsible for his rise to credibility/ cross to mainstream politics.kingsteven
- also, that 'we'll talk when you renounce violence' really worked out for her eh? in the mean time we'll intern your supporterskingsteven
- supporters - all martyrs in the making. driving the poorest from both communities irreconcilably apart.kingsteven
- so yeah, still very much 'happening'.kingsteven
- Still festering, just politically in a quiet patch. It'll flare up again when one side or another sees the other getting an advantage.mikotondria3
- +1 kingkonggoldieboy
- mekk0
Don't know much about her but I think a dead person does at least deserve a 'RIP' in the title, as all other RIP-Threads.
- Why?qTime
- inform yourself first. without comparison, did Hitler or Stalin deserve a RIP?oey
- thatcher = hitler or stalin now?
huh.detritus - don't do that detritus, I wrote: "without comparison". so seriously, don't imply that i meant something that I didn't even say.oey
- even say. I was just picking his part of "i think a dead person does at least deserve a 'RIP'"oey
- that's how politicians argue or people that don't even listen when others speak. not niceoey
- Do i mean by this detritus=stupid?
no i don't. will you read it that way? it's up to you. hope not.oey - Dudes, come down. Someone died. So we say RIP. Because thats what you do. She didn't kill someone, right?mekk
- She killed many people mekk.Wolfboy
- all those men on the Belgrano, any young person who committed suicide due to Section 28...Wolfboy
- ...any old person who has died of cold because of the cost of heating while the companies are in profit since selling off the utilities.Wolfboy
- Thatcher does not deserve a RIP. She deserves to rot in hell, if there is such a thing.Continuity
- Yep, didn't even consider typing RIP. Thatcher's death is kinda like an anarchist meme. achieving immortality whilst boiling in milkkingsteven
- boiling in milk...kingsteven
- kingkong0
An Irish minister has criticised Gerry Adams for his comments about Lady Thatcher. My colleague Henry McDonald has sent me this.
Ireland's Justice Minister sharply criticised Gerry Adams today over his remarks had caused a great deal of hurt to the Irish people.
Alan Shatter said Adams should remember that the Provisional IRA caused a great deal of hurt during the Troubles.
Speaking in Dubin this morning, Shatter said: I think those who comment critically on Margaret Thatcher, in particular those in Sinn Féin who do so, shouldn't be allowed to forget that they were directly responsible, and the Provisional IRA, were responsible for a murderous bombing of a Conservative Party conference that resulted in the death of a number of people."
- i_monk0
Here's hoping more conservatives quickly follow her to the grave.
- Let's start with maybe Mulroney. He was a Thatcher/Reagan laptop.Continuity
- Err ... *lapdog.Continuity
- Mulrooney, Harris, Day...i_monk
- Ralph Klein ... oh, wait!Continuity
- vaxorcist0
The fact that Thatcher died peacefully, in old age, makes me really doubt the existence of karma...
- oey0
Fucking Obama said something nice about her...
Freedom whatever...
Seriously Obama, ask to leave and go take a fucking dump.
And some people say obama's a communist from other planet...- no matter what O says, some people will call him a communist nazi whatever...vaxorcist
- heh, folks use hatred of thatcher to prove they're socialist. OB obvs trying the reverse.kingsteven
- ukit20
The funny thing is both left and right have pretty much continued the Reagan/Thatcher policies. People call the Democrats socialist when economically speaking they have adopted the same neoliberal policies as Reagan (although more left on social stuff obviously). Probably the same can be said of Blair and "new Labour" in the UK
- BaskerviIle0
nice article by Russell Brand (surprisingly good, to a child of the 80s like me):
- Surprisingly lucid, coming from Mr Brand!Continuity
- yep.. real nicekingsteven
- Yep.mikotondria3
- fadein110
The country was on its arse so she stepped in and spat on it.
- on it or in it?GeorgesIV
- either actually :)fadein11
- The country is still on it's arse. What's changed?Ianbolton
- not a lot - the deregulation of the banking system by her has a lot to answer for thatfadein11
- Really? Or did that help us compete again in the global markets? Who knowsIanbolton
- ridiculous banking practices caused the last recession and they wouldnt have happened wihtout deregulation put in place by herfadein11
- place by her...fadein11
- kingkong0
I do sometimes wonder with some people.
She won 3 general elections. 2 with huge majorities. No one put a gun to the head of 65% of people in this country.
- Yo, screw YOU
and your logic!!!
:)GeorgesIV - you fuckwitfadein11
- One election after the worst socialist government in modern history. The Tories were always going to win that.Wolfboy
- One election after a victorious war campaign. She had a 25% approval before the Falklands so she called a snap election after.Wolfboy
- Then 1987 was the start of the Labour rebuild, but their vote was definitely split with the SDP.Wolfboy
- @wolfboy - well putfadein11
- beware! the voters per district ratio in the south was much different than the north....vaxorcist
- Yo, screw YOU