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- xcreonx0
Just to add to the discussion above about 4k+...
The benefit isn't really the size of the frame for the Red cameras, its that they are raw files. The only parameters you need to control while shooting are the t-stop, frame rate and shutter, just like a film camera. Watch the histogram to be sure exposure is good. In post everything is adjustable... ISO, color balance, sharpness, curves, etc. etc.
I own a Red Epic and shoot 5k (5120 x 2700) and it's sublime. I can edit on virtually any intel mac natively at 1/8 or 1/4 res playback, then render to whatever size I want. Generally 1080p. Rendering is fast if you want it to be, just set the debayer to a lower setting. Set it to full for a final render and go to sleep... done in the morning. The only caveat is you do need some large drives. One 128gb SSD card holds about 20 mins of 5k footage.
- xcreonx0
Go with 1080 and use a good codec like Pro Res 422 when you render. Dont use the "Animation" codec as it wont play smooth at all. You can deliver an H.264 and it will still hold up.
1080 really isn't that large so you should be fine. You can always down res to 720 easily for web viewing.
- err0
I was doing HD video in after effects on a fucking G4 powerbook/G5 tower. Do everything at half rez then render the video in full while you watch tv or post in QBN.
- DaveO0
I'm making it in AE, simple animated stills a la quentin jones. Was just wondering if there was a size that's not 1080 as it;ll just be shown online.
Fuck it, 1080 on a mac book pro with 8gb ram is possible right?
- antagonlsta0
plash, we have a screening room. you hit the nail on the head; you have to proof the media and in fact you do have to bring the client in (unless they have their own media room and even then most setups are questionable).
Basically our screening theater is a tech heaven. it has a hub which can lower different specs of display techs. We can flip the switch and woola, a 4K cinema laser projector, or a Sharp 80" Touchscreen LED, you can choose form 4k to VCD (i know why?!) basically it's a multi retractable A/V mount system. which in the end of production is the only way you can positively proof the broadcast.
- antagonlsta0
At this point in hardware evolution, if you're still concerned about a 30 render, you're doing it wrong.
if your studio hasn't invested in a network render system; i don't know, stick with 1080..
- fate0
Miquex, you're obviously not a producer.
- autoflavour0
420 .... aaaaaaawwwww yeah
- Hombre_Lobo0
^lol very true.
My understanding is the major use of 4k is not so much the resolution, but it means you can go crazy on the grading without getting artifacts (well less artefacts).But to agree with you, 90% of video dudes don't push grading to the limits, so it's unessaccery for most. Like you say a hell of a lot of stuff is output in 720p anyway!
Imagine the day when we say 32k video is kinda pointless, 16k is good enough for most things. Next month I reckon.
- Miguex0
and have you ever worked with footage shot on red cameras, man it sucks ballsiacs, you need huge ass drives and mega computers just to do a simple 30sec edit.
Yes it looks pretty but it slows down production and creative process so much, you have to think like... well this would be a lot better but it's going to take a fuckloadoftime to render. FUCKTHAT just do a cut.
- and for what? so people can hear it on laptop speakers and watch it at 640x480 on a skippin connection... no thanksMiguex
- Never worked with 4k, but i bet that's a right ballache!, wait a minute for a 5second render!Hombre_Lobo
- nah, I own a Red Epic and shoot 5k... not nearly as bad as you think. just need big hdsxcreonx
- Miguex0
720p is more than enough for web, majority of people watch at 640x480 anyways. This resolution thing is getting out of control I think.
I can understand it on imax theaters or sporting events, but visually I don't think it adds a substantial improvement. I think it's all a scheme to keep the home television market alive. They are going bigger and cheaper in an effort to not be replaced by computers, but I think it's inevitable.
- yeh dude. And most Xbox games to my knowledge only do 720p too!
Hell of a lot less pixels to process!Hombre_Lobo - I surely see a huge difference between 720 and 1080 and saying its not noticeable is ridiculous.monospaced
- Same with videos. A 720 web video takes up only a small tiny portion of my screen.monospaced
- mono, I was talking about 5k and 8k images. but since you brought it up, I don't think there's THAT much diff between 1080 and 720Miguex
- 720p and 1080i, not drastic at leastMiguex
- yeh dude. And most Xbox games to my knowledge only do 720p too!
- formed0
Depends on how much more it'll take.
For full 3D it is exponentially more time consuming, so we never output to 1080 unless specifically asked for (and paid for).
I'd go with 720p and offer 1080p as an upgrade. It takes more time to build, more time to render, more space, etc., etc.
But if it isn't any big deal, like some simple text/logo intro, then just do 1080p.
Completely depends on what you are doing.
- animatedgif0
- "and as you can see here, we are currently cooking the remains of the last servant you killed"autoflavour
- Hombre_Lobo0
1080, you can downscale to 720 easily.
- vivid0
always 1080 unless a specific request from client but usually provide as 720 (as they usually end up showing it in a bloody PPT, projected through a 4:3 shitty old projector)
- plash0
@antagonlsta - how do you show anything above 4k to anyone? you can shoot and edit 5K but by the time you put it on a Blu-Ray it's compressed down to 1080p. and even If you have access to a performance monitor I suppose you could play direct to but that means bringing a customer into the studio.
and with all that, the largest premiere pro can actually edit is 5K from a RED Epic source and FCP does 6K with some tweaking. (and then you have to deal with less than 5% of the pop can actually see it. since 4k only really was available to the gen. public at this recent CES in Jan.)
- Was wondering this too. There are no 5k or higher displays. Even retina MBP isn't 4k I don't think.monospaced
- animatedgif0
Easier to shrink it than to redo it at higher res
- plash0
damn 8K?! what is that, 600 to 800 gigs for an hour thirty mins?