Sony PlayStation® 4
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- ernexbcn0
A cool feature using Gaikia is going to your friends list and actually SEE what your friend is doing in-game, that's pretty neat.
The console is also constantly recording what's on screen so you can share on FB/ustream.
- mekk0
^
no more porn on playstation. get your laptops!
- pang0
Think Sony missing out on making it backwards compatible.
Yeah, people can re-buy and download PS1,2,3 games. But how can people afford it after buying a new PS4 (stats comparable to high-end PC), extra controllers, games at £50 a pop...
It's an expensive game! (excuse the pun).
- mommy & daddy allowancemonospaced
- Much better than 12 year old allowance.ETM
- animatedgif0
really miss backwards compatibility
I just want to play Outrun 2006 and Gradius V with a wireless controller
- Aye, have to dig out my old PS2 if I want to play my GradiusV.pang
- most should become available for streaming. might have to pay for them again thoughscarabin
- Can't stream SHMUPS, lag would make them unplayableanimatedgif
- loool0
I helped a bit on this trailer, my company did some shots for it...but i don't know how the game will turn out...
- scarabin0
it's got more power, more features. integration has been thought out more. that's all you can really ask for, and they delivered. developers now have more at their disposal to work with while crafting experiences for us...
it's up to them now
- I can ask for more. How about a new controller? A dumb touchpad is useless.CygnusZero4
- it's not useless on the vita. again, that's up for developers to work into their games. sony just opened that ability to us on the console finally.scarabin
- console finally.scarabin
- I have a Vita. It's lame. It simply works as an L/R2 in most games. This one is on the front!CygnusZero4
- What was the real need for that? Is it going to change the way I play games? Nope.CygnusZero4
- Ive made up my mind, Im just sticking with the Wii U. At least Nintendo tried to do something new.CygnusZero4
- And I really do love the Wii U gamepad. It genuinely feels different.CygnusZero4
- coolscarabin
- detritus0
Anyone know what a comparative PC system would be, especially in the GPU department? I'm not looking to fan a flame war, just curious to know how much oomph it's got - it's kind of hard to tell from a CGI setpiece and a slow-running urban thing.
- A comparative PC for around the same cost would be the valid measurement, but we don't know the cost yet.nikdaum
- dunno, i imagine they'll get a GPU bulk discount, be planning x months ahead and PCs have a lot of extra stuff a console doesn't - plus Sony will be subsidising it.detritus
- a console doesn't - plus Sony will be subsidising it.detritus
- scarabin0
with the power of the gaikai server farm behind it, including the promising level of integration shown tonight, you can't really compare the potential output of the PS4 to a single PC, but would have to compare it to an incredibly powerful server farm.
the impressive (and proprietary) hardware specs of the box itself is just icing on the cake
he tried to stress that the importance of hardware in the box would be obsolete with the PS4...
- scarabin0
as far as backwards compatibility is concerned, it seems like a bummer, but all those PS1,2,3 will be available for streaming at some point. hopefully under some kind of subscription service instead of per game...
- Does it not play old discs?monospaced
- correct, like the ps3 nowscarabin
- well that's just shitty, my Wii plays old GameCube mini discs just finemonospaced
- stick to wii thenscarabin
- honestly, i don't even use game disks anymore unless i have to and then it just feels weird and archaicscarabin
- ernexbcn0
Assembling a similar PC with the PS4 specs while an interesting exercise doesn't really makes for an argument of which is better than the other.
I used to build my own PCs back in the day and now I just play on consoles. If you build a PC with the same specs as the PS4 I'm pretty sure it will cost more and it won't last you the same years as the console (ability of playing current games wise).
A console developer gets to deal with the same hardware for about 7 years and they learn how to take advantage of most of it by the end of its cycle. Take a launch PS2 for example like Ridge Racer V and compare it with the last God of War for PS2. Same thing on the 360, just compare Halo 3 with Halo 4. A 7 year old PC will let you play on the lowest quality the newer games.
Each have their own advantages/disadvantages, me I prefer to spend a few hundreds bucks on a console and not having to deal with Windows, fucking display drivers, malware and all that shit.
- scarabin0
developer-type guy from reddit:
"From the sounds of it they're going to use an AMD 8 core bulldozer with a 7850 on chip fusion product"
his whole post is interesting, actually:
"It seemed more like the full version was aimed at developers than consumers. From the sounds of it they're going to use an AMD 8 core bulldozer with a 7850 on chip fusion product (which is fine), but once that goes to globalfoundries they aren't going to be able to keep it secret. So they may as well do a quick announcement, make sure developers are all on the same page, and work from there. It means the PS4 is basically a top end gaming laptop. They may as well put ubuntu on it and call it a PC at this point. Thats important for those of us who aren't in the know with their secret plans but may still want to do a PS4 release. It means the computers we've built and been targeting for next gen are... fine. Not a lot of 8 core CPU's floating around these days but a 6 core intel will be 'close enough' for indie teams.
From E3 to christmas really isn't long enough to get a game optimized and ready. This gives them enough time to give developers a clue what they're going to work with, and squash any crazy rumours, and it gives us a few things to target if we want a PS3 release. It means we can develop on regular PC's and don't need a dozen development kits RIGHT NOW.
One of the questions those of us who aren't in the know had was what architecture they were going with. Sony could have gone with something like an 8 or 12 core ARM with some wacky Qualcomm GPU or a Tegra part or ... some custom architecture that would just make life hard. Basically they could have just taken the PSVita and made more of it, which would be ok, or they could have gone Cell 2.0 and that would have been... troublesome. Or they could have gone somewhere really strange with god knows what.
Going ARM wouldn't be a problem particularly, but it would mean we would need a dev kit ASAP to make anything that takes full advantage of the system.
Everything they said was very interesting because it was very boring. They're not going off the deep end of crazy on their hardware this time, which is boring, but a huge stress reliever. Games, that can wait until E3 when consumers are there with some expectations."
- This makes sense - I figured the next gens would havwe to do something particularly epic in the GPU dep't.detritus
- ETM0
The best thing they did was make it PC based. The PS3 had/has soooo much potential, yet development for it was difficult, by comparison, when XBox and PC games were so similar. At the end of the day, PS3 was usually last in the dev cycle for non-exclusives and they used tools that ported the PC or XBox version (often poorly) meaning equal or reduced graphics and performance on a more powerful platform.
- Duffer0
- +1i_monk
- lolpang
- hahahaian
- yeh this is spot on! lolHombre_Lobo
- detritus0
Unless this Gaikai remote rendering thing is focused on either slow games or somehow magically rendering just the periphery of vision (something Valve have been talking about in relation to VR headsets) it just won't be that much of a sell.
Frankly, it really isn't a replacement for additional GPUage in and of itself.
Latency IS an issue for a lot of the sort of games people buy brand-spanking new consoles for.
Frankly, it strikes me that they're running out of ideas, so feel the need to gimmickify things.
I hope to be proven wrong.
- ernexbcn0
It also has very fast memory (GDDR5) that's the memory that graphics cards use, as far as I know there are no PC motherboards yet that use this memory.
I read that just the 8GB of this memory are going to add 150 dollars to the overall material costs.
- Llyod0
$700?
- I think there will be a 400-450 model, and a 500-550 model.CygnusZero4
- They will NEVER try to sell a $600 console again.CygnusZero4
- yeah, prob $550 max, otherwise they'll get the gas face like beforeprophetone
- Can't see it being cheaper than £400 in UKpang
- prophetone0
so on a related note, vita ain't doing so hot - not as expected anyway. so they're cutting the price in japan to get it in the hands of more gamers. sounds great because two things are holding it back imo - being about $50 overpriced and lack of new games, for now. so at least one of those wishes will be granted to those north americans who have been putting it off right? wrongo. apparently the price cut stays in japan... bummer.
- my guess is it'll stay at $250cdn until this time next year at least, until they can see if the PS4 synergy boosts its sales, it just mightprophetone
- might.prophetone
- scarabin0
a friend of mine wrote this review, it's very much worth a read...
he brings up some good points
- it's good. he cuts thru much of the emotional b.s. i've been hearing.prophetone
- Being able to see your friends playing a game is pretty great indeed.ernexbcn
- ernexbcn0
This guy talks about the take aways from the conference, he pretty much nails it (and the guy is funny!)