The sandy hook conspiracy

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  • Horp0

    I'm a big follower of conspiracy theories. I never believe in any of them, but like movie making and story telling the conspiracies that we as a society concoct and ferment provide a window on cultural and societal trajectory that can not be see quite as clearly via research into conventional behaviours and beliefs.

    Almost always, conspiracies in the cracks we percieve when considering events from a far detatched viewpoint via imperfectly grabbed and presented coverage and opinion.

    Thank god none of these events are so perfect that they do not elicit public scrutiny. The day something awful happens and nobody even bothers asking questions will be the day that any hidden conspirators working shock-theatre tricks to instigate change on a national or global level will have finally got their game down pat... that's if we assume they exist of course.

    But I also its not implausible for events like these to be theatre. Its well documented throughout history that theatrical shock has been the only way to mobilise entire nations and herd them into radical changes of belief.

    Its not without precedent, although I have to say I don't believe in the conspiracy theory of Sandy Hook any more than I believe in any of the other conspiracy theories of a similar nature.

    • conspiracies (take root) in the cracks, is what I meant to sayHorp
    • the black hands, lusitania, gulf of tonkin, jfk, rfk, mlk, 9/11, maliGeorgesII
    • all of south americaGeorgesII
    • and because I'm in italy,
      look up "operation gladio"
      GeorgesII
    • yup, what G said, most wars were started this way, with false flag opsmoldero
  • yurimon0

    I think it has multiple objectives with some of the above mentions.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St…

    • distraction, honey pot, corruption, political objectives, etc.yurimon
  • yurimon0

    cause we would never think to do anything like this for politics..that is appalling.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Op…

    • These were only proposals and never happened. You can read similar deception techniques in Sun Tzu - Art of War.Morning_star
    • Thinking and doing are very different.Morning_star
    • Kennedy was appalled and was going to put the everyone in check. doesnt mean this strategy wasnt used later on.yurimon
    • Agreed. But it doesn't mean it was either. Governments have lots of plans for lots of incredible scenarios.Morning_star
    • if these were even considered at one point, wouldn't you think this style of tactics could be used at another?moldero
  • TheBlueOne0

    Only the simple minded are shocked that powerful interests maintain secrets and have agendas. Once they discover this fact they delight that they've discovered something radical and think they have some kind of tool to lrd over others who "haven't seen the light".

    Actually powerful people understands "secrets" and deceptive operations are just another tool in the kit with downsides as well as upsides in it's deployment.

  • TheBlueOne0

    ...besides, a conspiracy of the "sandy hook" type rests on the assumption that the end goal of the government is to seize the personal weapons of citizens in order to smooth the seizure of power and limit the scope of an armed insurrection.

    It ridiculous prima face because a) the government already has the levers of power in hand b) the use of small arms fire in a rebellion within the context of some sort of "coup" by a subsegment of the government is simply futile, and those in power know it c) the only thing a coup government would be concerned about it the loyalty of the military and/or intelligence services to it's cause.

    A bunch of jackasses playing wolverine in the forest are not a legitimate threat to government seizure of power.

    Mass protest is.

    Oddly enough the conspiracy theorists and gun nuts are exactly the same people who discount the proven effectiveness of mass protest, nor do they speak up when free speech rights are infringed. I would have liked to see a bunch of these 2nd amendment types show up and stand around when the Bush (and subsequently Obama) administrations created and used 'free speech zones" to control public protest.

    of course, they sat at home, missing the whole point. What good is it if you claim that the threat of violence is what maintains an individuals rights in the face of a tyrannical government but are only will to utilize that threat of violence to maintain your right to continue to maintain that right only?

    Utterly simple minded.

    • but you know, yurimon say something about detention centers or whatever.TheBlueOne
    • Your statement is a generalization and assumption in my opinion.yurimon
    • Mass protest is a good start but i dont know seems like everyone is bickering.yurimon
    • I don't care what your opinion is.TheBlueOne
    • yur so smaat, cause you went to scool. I get it. geez. You are flawed like the rest of us. Your arguments are bigoted with anger.yurimon
    • anger. ones you get over yourself I think you can make some intellectual progress. just sayin yo.yurimon
    • I want to go play wolverine in the forest.digitdaily
  • Morning_star0

    From a psychological perspective, the mundane explanation for events of such magnitude and inhumanity is often 'unbelievable' in the collective psyche. Public unwillingness to believe the truth, even when faced with facts of the situation, is often embellished with doubt and a search for an explanation that matches the horror of the event.

    • +1TheBlueOne
    • ..and we can watch the NRA/gun nuts take advantage of that dislocation for propaganda purposesTheBlueOne
    • first world issue, if you move to africa, middle east, south america you can ask anyone if they believe their gov is there to protect them, they'll llaugh at you, not everyone are shocked my the death of 22 person, kids or not, we've seen worstGeorgesII
    • protect them, they'll llaugh at you, not everyone are shocked my the death of 22 person, kids or not, we've seen worstGeorgesII
    • indeed george. context is everything.TheBlueOne
    • problem is the facts presented are questionable. I dont see main stream discussion about psychiatric drugs anywhere.yurimon
  • GeorgesII0

    CUI BONO
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    firearms and ammo are selling like hotdogs,
    the marchant of death can't even keep up with the demand,
    88 guns every 100 'Muricans,
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    Cui bono, it doesn't seem to be the government even though they are always in collusion with the M.I.C

    • Well same people who own the gov own the big manufacturers. profit and subversion at same time.yurimon
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  • TheBlueOne0

    Well the "cui bono" thing kinda works..but sometimes secret agendas simply don't work. People seem to assume that just because an operation is "covert" it will work automagically, that reality is so malleable to such interests History is replete with secret operations that fell apart, were discovered or had opposite effects of those intended.

    Sometimes the ones who benefit from such operations aren't the ones that were intended to benefit in the construction of the ruse. So I'm not sure just looking at who benefitted from an occurence proves who the initial instigator of the action is, or what the intended outcome was supposed to be.

  • GeorgesII0

    I don't know either I was just pointing that the only one actually profiting from these events are the gun makers themselves

    • I agree, Its mutual benefit. because prohibition is profitable for gov also in this country. look at drug trade as case study.yurimon
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  • vaxorcist0

    The strangest thing about conspiracy theories...are they just attempts to deal with cognitive dissonance? i.e. something happens that violates one's "world view" and rather than re-examine the "world view" one must come up with some sort of conspiracy theory to "explain this"

    • I didn't want those grapes anywayalbums
    • I think the word conspiracy theory has thought baggage attached to it. either used as thought stopper or labeling mechanism like euphemisms etc.yurimon
    • mechanism like euphemisms. I haven't seen any good debates on fact examination anywhere.yurimon
  • canoe0

    "I have more faith in American people then its powers that be. "
    we're all americans

    • you know what i meantmoldero
    • and why assume americas powers that be are all american?moldero
  • yurimon0

    I think its good at least that there are other venues to express opinions or convey facts for discussion and that true monopoly doesn't exist on information because I can imagine different effect altogether. There are thought provoking arguments that would never come up in mainstream dialect.

  • vaxorcist0

    there are of course, conspiracy theories like this....

  • Morning_star0

    Regarding to the conspiracy video snopes does a good demolition of the conspiracy bullshit.:
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/g…

  • albums0

    Whatever you do, don't buy The Catcher in the Rye with a credit card.

  • GeorgesII0

    and I find it insulting that we are categorised as conspiracy theorist just for asking questions and exploring other avenue of thought,

    I find it even more insulting that those insulting us are perfectly fine living in a world where the institutions that almost put them in the street are still getting bailouts, the same corporations that produced agent orange now produce O.G.Ms and I have to debate so called smart people trying to convince me that a ex weapon of mass destruction maker is now working for the good of the world,

    I find it insulting that the same people believe their government will never do what they do to brown people around the world to them, because you know that never happened to them so who cares,

    I find it insulting that no matter what fact of history you can bring up to to prove that there are and always will be not so secret institutions that work to fill up their vaults while millions perish,
    you are still labeled a conspiracy theorist instead of a realist,

    fuck, what a weird world we live in

    • Know your geography m8...
      //insulted
      albums
    • ahahahah because you still don't get it, I worked for years in canada, I'm married with a canuck, my cock is half maple syrupGeorgesII
    • do you get it now?GeorgesII
    • You should feel insulted. Sorry, mate. Absolutely cookoo nutsmonospaced
    • what point did I bring up that is nuts? or do you care only with what happens in america? please explainGeorgesII
    • Ask yourself the same fucking question. "their government," "brown people." Sounds like YOU only care about America.monospaced
    • because guess why,
      it is not the philipinos invading other countries
      GeorgesII
    • I rest my case. We're talkign about America here and you STILL accuse others of only caring about Americamonospaced
  • monospaced0

    If these were all actors, then give these people Oscars.

    Only a fucking idiot would believe in a conspiracy like this, and only an insensitive asshole would suggest it.

    • I don't really care about the sandy hook case, but it saddens me that everyone with an agenda is trying to use itGeorgesII
    • Including especially the anti-gun crowd.albums
  • Al_dizzle0