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- Raybandana0
25k
- ...that's not that much. I was thinking you were gonna say $100kETM
- im not a full service agency... i can expect 100kRaybandana
- Hourly rates change for company scale. But a project takes what it takes.ETM
- facebook started on less than $15k according to the social networkomg
- It's different when the conceptualist and the dev are the same person.ETM
- vaxorcist0
ok, in all pseudo-seriousness....
Step 1: go to college bars near ivy league schools and recruit some recent MBA powerpoint jockey who can sell refridgerators to eskimos, have him/her dream up whatever business model he/she wants and pitch it to rich dudes, if you get any money, spend it immediately on half pizza and beer and the other half dedicated server hosting...
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Step 2: hack up some joomla template so anyone can register, make it look pretty generic, but cover it in stolen photos of naked celebrities with X marks over certain partsStep 3: Make it so you have to register to see any more, then host some viral video that you have to register to see....
Step 4: try to hire some "real computer science guys" to deal with scalability and
Step 5: hire some lawyers to deal with inevitable chaos and lawsuits....
- sublocked0
give me 25k. I'll sell you http://lyricful.com
- ukit20
Here ya go:
- Raybandana0
without giving away to much.
The site is 2 user. 1 user searches the user 2 and can rate user 2 and write a review on user 2. The 2 user has a profile and can edit his/her profile. All of this goes back to a CMS where the admin approves the rating/reviews of user 1 and approves profile edits of user 2. User 2 pays a membership fee for being a part of the site.
That's pretty much it.
- of course it will probably grow beyond this... but this is the basic function/ideaRaybandana
- Lol. You;re not working for these guys are you?
https://wizof.biz/ETM - Similar idea. Find a pro, they offer you advice, you review them. Payment based on membership and review quality.ETM
- It's tanking...ETM
- no its nothing like that at all.Raybandana
- I was mostly joking... ;)ETM
- Raybandana0
I have money and I'm willing to pay someone. But I need to know who I should talk to? Thats not a fair question?
What kind of developer would understand how to build such a thing?
I just need some guidance. thanks
- sublocked0
I'll write that for you for $50k and get it done within a month.
Email me.
- budgets only like 10k for dev.Raybandana
- Wow,,, $10K is not much. I thought $25k was a stretch for something quality, stable and scalable.ETM
- 10k? lol.....sublocked
- well what i do - not eat... just say fuck it.. if no one has a million dollars then I guess I'm not working at all!
Raybandana - No, a client gets what they can afford, not simply what they want for the money they have.ETM
- Raybandana0
What would be the harm in using this guys? http://codemyconcept.com/
Then have a developer take care of the site.
- using this for the traffic - http://aws.amazon.co…Raybandana
- If I was your client and I heard you ever considered BS like this for a serious project I'd be gone in 2 seconds.ETM
- The fact that you would try to create a system like from the design only out means you have no clue,ETM
- Here developer, I have an HTML template ready to go. Make me Facebook. Wow!ETM
- Just wow! LOLETM
- Its not facebook you maniac. Its a simple CMS site.. That could grow into facebook. But I dont think it will.Raybandana
- why are these guys BS? whats so wrong with it? please explain?Raybandana
- I would send the PSD's and not use templates.Raybandana
- First, you started this thread saying it was like Facebook.ETM
- I know - sorry bud...Raybandana
- Then you say you have a $25k budget. Then you say you have only $10k for dev.ETM
- well at the moment... but the idea is still being flushed out. So maybe its going to take more! I dunno - thats why I'm asking you guys!
Raybandana - asking people for some guidance.Raybandana
- You also have called it a glorified blog and a simple CMS.ETM
- Your not asking for guidance. You don;t know what the fuck you're doing and your hoping we can dig you out of this hole.ETM
- You have vague details, no planning, no architecture, and you want us to say do A, B and C from that and it will cost only X dollars.ETM
- x amount of dollars.ETM
- Sorry to be a dick. But I think some honestly is required.ETM
- Well I will get sue through the fuckin roof, if i tell you what it is.. I'm just a human like you... looking for help.. sorry I couldnt be clear.Raybandana
- be clear. but that's how she is - boss.Raybandana
- mg330
I asked this exact question to a really talented architect/developer I worked with a couple years ago. His answer?
"4 developers and six months." That's development, QA edits, and their testing outside of actual testing by a QA team/person.
- so you saying that a real development team, would be more thorough?Raybandana
- Sorry, meant to say 6 solid months dev work. QA, other stuff outside of that time.mg33
- well no one has the budget for 6 months of dev time. Unless your Coca-Cola. I'm dealing with smaller clients. That could never afford that.Raybandana
- afford that.Raybandana
- vaxorcist0
Honestly, finding a developer who would like to build this sort of thing from scratch might be suicidal business, as much of this has already been done ad-nauseam, and you can probably tweek something already out there if you're a skilled designer, and/or find somebody who can tweek things rather then write it all from scratch... as I worked at an agency years ago and we tried to essentially clone myspace and the specs were vague and changing and nothing ever went live... cost a boatload of time for vague results....
also, beware that many of these businesses started out doing x, but pivoted to do y after they tested a few proof of concepts, groupon started out doing something different from what made them the $$$, so beware that "trying to get it perfect" or "finding the perfect developer" may be the wrong approach, I'd avise finding something that already works, tweeking it, testing and showing to people to test your concept, then see if you really need to start from scratch, and/or tweek something already out there.... also, scalability's a bitch, FB has over 180,000 servers....
some things to check:
http://www.jomsocial.com/blog/ho…
- ETM0
@Raybandan
Too bad your client can't recognize the flaws in this.
If user 2 pays for user 1 to review them and it's bad, you're paying money to be knocked in the public space. But then you say comments are admin approved, which makes me think that really negative comments wouldn't be published. Which means it's curated. Once the public knows the reviews are curated or slanted, no one will use it (assuming the captured an audience at all).
I know, not your prob. You need to make it, you didn't come up with it.
- Raybandana0
@ETM those comments are all irrelevant because the site doesn't work like that at all.. I can't explain to you what it is because of a NDA... But I wouldnt worry about that.. I'm worried about who I should get to develop this.. and how much it will cost. I got off on the wrong foot saying its like "facebook". But it will be something that could have a very high volume of traffic. And I just want to make sure I'm picking a good developer to help me.
- Alright. Call Bob the Dev. 585-555-1234. He said site unseen, $7kETM
- Very helpful.Raybandana
- So's the info you have provided. I get NDA, but without details don't expect us to be able to provide much help.ETM
- right on brother!Raybandana
- Raybandana0
2 different users types. handful of functions. Custom CMS.
- sublocked0
With that type of budget you're not going to get an "experienced developer". Hit craigslist and pray.
- Raybandana0
I have an experienced developer that said he would do it for 80/hr.
What it so wrong with code my concept? For the first launch ? I mean this guy doesnt have millions to spend... and he needs something... So what do I do... just not build it and shove shoes up my ass?
- ETM0
Alright. Let me run through just the tip of the iceberg as to why our skepticism.
You say you might have a dev @$80/hr with a $10k budget. That's only 125 hours. That's basically 3 standard work weeks for one guy to do even basic architecture/planning, implement the code, the database and testing.
Without even touching the basic data and table relationships when you connect records or members to other records or members I see forms. Lots and lots of forms to collect user input:
Member Type 1
-Signup form (likely shared with a filter by member type)
-Profile Form (of whatever complexity)Member Type 2
-Signup form (likely shared with a filter by member type)
-Profile Form / Edit Profile Functionality
-Product/service form for whatever they are having reviewed. You have been vague, but, Hi I'm Jane, here's my info (profile) this is my business to review (product/service form).Fiscal
-Billing forms/receipt generations (you said member 2 pays)
-Payment gateway/merchant account... maybe just PayPal
-Means to confirm payment for your system to approve member 2 statusCMS for admin user
-Sign in (likely shared with a filter by member type)
-Some sort of control panel for overview
-Here are new submissions for review
-Page or form for review/decline or editing review
-Admin profile / manage passwords etc.Customer Support/Contact
You have members and you are taking money, there will be support involved and you’ll likely want one of more forms to either collect in a database or ticket system or at minimum to force structure into the inquiries for relaying to email.This is just the basics.
- The 2 user flows / CMS are already completed by a IA. The planning and architecting is done.Raybandana
- Its going into design now.Raybandana
- pretty good for no details too!Raybandana
- Raybandana0
Thanks for the words.
I'm want a site that will have high traffic volume. But wont be as intense as facebook. If anything its just a glorified blog, with user login.What about this for the server side? http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/
- prepping for volume is just a matter of buying the servers.Al_dizzle
- ETM0
There is also how simple or basic the rating criteria is. 5 stars. 1/10. Single rating, multiple criteria with averages. How do ratings weight against a user? How does ranking affect filtering criteria for search or displaying results. etc. If 100 users, 1000 have 5 stars, but is filter 2/3/4 to make it relevant to the user?
If user 100 has 5 stars but is always at the bottom getting no impressions, do they still pay? Oh yeah, impressions. Record those because when people pay, they usually want to know how it's going.
- *what is filter 2/3/4...ETM
- Forgive the typos. It's late and I was at the pub earlier...ETM
- haha it okay - everything that you've said has been talked about and resolved.Raybandana
- Alot of planning and IA has already gone into this.Raybandana
- You could have mentioned that. You came off like you had NO idea or planning done.ETM
- I think we all assumed IA was still needed.ETM
- Raybandana0
Thanks for your overview.
Basically the developer will have all the PSD's he needs. Also I have the IA done. After a nice long meeting and assuming everything makes sense to him. He would basically have to turn those PSD's into a working site. Is that dooable in 3 weeks?
- the IA / planning has been going on for months. It's in a good spot now.Raybandana
- ukit20
I wouldn't worry about the traffic or the scaling at this point.
It's kind of like saying you plan to play the lottery, then worrying about where to invest your millions before you buy a lottery ticket.