Facebook asswipes
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- BusterBoy
A young woman was murdered here in Melbourne last week. Extremely tragic...she was randomly abducted from a busy street (albeit late at night), brutally raped, murdered and her body buried in the country. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-…
There have been a bunch of Facebook pages setup and since this guy's arrest, so much is being posted about him and his past behaviour. It's turned into a pretty vile hatred page.
In Australia, information like this can severely compromise chances of getting a fair trial so the Police have contacted Facebook to ask them to take down this one particular page.
Facebook have refused.
It fucking shits me that they think they are above local laws and cling to their 'free speech' mantra. Sometimes the public good overrides their little social media fantasy.
I reckon the cops should post some photos of women breastfeeding and Facebook would tear it down in a flash.
Asswipes.
- omg0
I know it sucks that a life was lost, but here we see Facebook's free speech mantra, protecting all our rights to free speech as well. I don't think controlling these issues is going to bring that poor girl back to life. It should be the responsibility of the courts to bring proper justice.
- Not about 'bringing her back'. It's about respecting the law.BusterBoy
- d0mino0
omg is right. Need to adjust the justice system and courts to accomodate free speech/technology. Not adjust free speech.
- FB actions are allowing the jury pool to be tainted which means no fare trial which means the criminal can go free.tredesigns
- BusterBoy0
I'm sorry but this "free speech at all costs" is just crap. When social media directly impacts on sovereign laws, they need to be held accountable. If someone posted child porn, would that be allowed? Can't pick and choose which laws they choose to abide by.
- pfft reactionary crap
cannonball1978 - agree with you here BusterKiko
- pfft reactionary crap
- BusterBoy0
@cannon...so where do you draw the line mate? Are Facebook now the new moral arbiters of what is acceptable and what is not?
- MrT0
I don't agree with the frothing kangaroo court on Facebook, but why is it any different to the subjective, traditional media coverage? Surely the jury can not look at Facebook just as they can not read the newspapers or watch TV (which is a good idea in Aus anyway).
- Media owners can go to jail if they flout contempt laws.BusterBoy
- Beeswax0
Traditional media is a little more conscious about these kind of issues because they can get sued for declaring someone guilty before the verdict. Governments can't have this kind of enforcement over facebook and it's million users.
This is not a complex issue, is the trial over yet? No. So facebook should shut down those pages once they are warned. They don't want to do it just because they need to allocate specific departments for these kind of issues all over.
- BusterBoy0
It's not a question of whether a traditional media organisation may get sued. The fact is it is against the law in this country to publish much of what is being posted on Facebook in the wake of this. The bloke has been charged and a trial will follow...in the meantime everyone needs to follow the law.
- omg0
Are we supposed to shut down the entire internet til this gets resolved? Because somewhere, someone is going to talk about the case. You're suggesting that these type of news should be handled by traditional news media, and not the likes of people on Facebook. I'm sure that's what ABC and the rest of the news media out there would like you to think. They are trying to get the exclusive, and have persuaded you that people on Facebook is wrong. Wake up!!! These news media giants want to control the people, and Facebook is allowing free reign in thought in the city of Melbourne. Maybe you rather your truth only come from what you see and hear on TV, where voices aren't heard, only the sounds of news corporations feeding you their side of so-called truth.
- BusterBoy0
What I am saying is if there is a pending court case and all of a sudden a new Facebook page is launched entitled "Hang so and so" and publishes a whole raft of information on his past behaviour then we're moving into dangerous territory...especially when the police politely request they take the page down.
As I have said, they're happy to take down a page that has a breast feeding mother, or pornography so they are effectively deciding what is acceptable and what is not...and I sure as hell don't want them being the arbiters of stuff like this.
I understand the law needs to move with the times, and I'm sure the laws will probably take into account social media, but until such time as the law is changed, they should comply.
- GeorgesII0
like youtube/google saying no to take down the mohamed video,
facebook, should say no too,
don't set a precedent than complain later that they are infringing on your rights to free speech,- rubbish...completely different scenarioBusterBoy
- when is free speech acceptable for you?GeorgesII
- when it doesn't break the law...pretty simple.BusterBoy
- laws are not the same everywherespl33nidoru
- omg0
well since the police asked politely... but Is it possible that there aren't any laws governing Facebook at this time? Are we supposed to sit back and wait for courts to grant us permission , and until then, do what the police demands?
Perhaps since the girl isn't there to defend herself, it might make sense that other people do. At least they're spewing out relevant truth, I'd hope. I'm sure the police are more than happy for people to do the work for them. But in public, they can't side with the vigilante. Besides, aren't your court systems based on proven facts, rather than opinions from Facebook?
- Peter0
> It's not a question of whether a traditional media organisation may get sued. The fact is it is against the law in this country to publish...
"Traditionally" isn't it that the laws of the country of which the server resides in are the ones to be followed?
Piratebay, etc. comes to mind.
- Nathan_Adams0
To those saying Facebook is merely protecting our rights to free speech, there is no constitutional right to free speech in Australia (other than political speech).
- is that supposed to be a good thing?
GeorgesII - Not saying if it is or isn't, just stating fact.Nathan_Adams
- is that supposed to be a good thing?
- omg0
BTW- (throwing a log in the fire)
I think this is the Facebook page we're all referencing here...
https://www.facebook.com/AdrianE…
- omg0
I'm curious, what Australian laws govern the Matrix? Do you also not get free speech in the Matrix as well? If you talk in the Matrix, is that considered publishing?
- omg0
If you play Grand theft auto (on Facebook)... steal a car. Should you be arrested?
- GeorgesII0
seriously, can someone points out the illegality in the messages on the facebook page,
I've been reading them, but it's the usual online banter,
I don't get what's going on
- chossy0
"In Australia, information like this can severely compromise chances of getting a fair trial so the Police have contacted Facebook to ask them to take down this one particular page."
This is his point.