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- whhipp0
I still can't believe these Obama supporters. If you think the Middle Class is going away with the voting in of Mitt, you are kidding yourselves. Where do you think Middle Class is going right now under Obama? Where in the Upper Class going under Obama? And where is the Lower Class going under Obama?
Obama has done some real harm, but harm that no one talks about. His constant badgering of the rich as opposed to the poor has caused a shift in the American Dream paradigm, which has been our main strength to continued success and economic growth. He has made the shift in mind set of the lower and middle class, one from work harder to achieve what you want or see that others have, to one that envies and demands to be given these things based on unfairness. I feel this is more dangerous than any tax plan, gay rights or any of the other million topics, which in the end are all trivial if we as a country cant get along and stop worrying about what another person has that we don't. Just work your asses off to get what you want. We all start in different places in the world at birth, it will continue this way. Therefor, life is not an even race and will never be, deal with it and work to give your next generation a step further than where you started or not, its your choice, just dont expect others to pay for your choice.
In the end, Obama is in the 1% which he is complaining about. Ask yourselves how did he get there? If anyone should put the money where his mouth is, it's him. Demand that he give up his wealth to the needy and less fortunate, lower his income to a middle class wage and take on the average American health care plan for him and his family- after all, in his own words, its all based on luck and chance, so it should be easy to give up something you really never earned or deserved.
- in=iswhhipp
- Obama worked hard and made something of himself. He's also not the 1%.monospaced
- Obama's not the 1%. He's a lifelong public servant currently worth a few million.waterhouse
- thats the real problem- dedicated his life as a public servant and is worth a few million? He is definitely in the 5% sorry.whhipp
- Upward mobility in the US has DISAPPEARED. Obama didn't cause this. Look at the data, idiot.Josev
- he's not helping it, you idiot.whhipp
- monospaced0
Uh, this thread is about Romney, dude.
- formed0
"Just work your asses off to get what you want."
Yeah, I think many of us do. There are certainly lazies aplenty, but this mentality of redistributing the "wealth" to the upper class is ludicrous. "Trickle down theory", which is proven to be ridiculous over and over, is the single most successful marketing gimmick of the last 100 years!!
Hmm, where did Obama get his credentials...oh, right, he worked this ass off and earned them. Where did Romney get his...ah, right, he inherited them.
- < thismonospaced
- ...and Mitt didnt work?whhipp
- he's unemployed, in his own wordsdrgs
- yes, unemployed- not employed by someone else. Does not mean not working.whhipp
- Mitt Romney was born wealthy. He's not a self-made man.Josev
- scruffics0
there used to be days where anyone could succeed by working hard. those people who did are now CEOs (good on them) who spend millions upon millions to keep the common folk like us in debt, uneducated, and out of their way. these days the best an average person might earn is health insurance and maybe a house, which both can be denied for whatever reason the bank or the insurance company decide with no consideration for you as a human being.
- mikotondria30
^ Yup, the dream of upward mobility is now just a dream; the ever-upward drain of wealth and value is now do efficient and quick that you can't follow it - the real cost of labor has fallen through the floor, wages are falling and lower than they were, in real terms, since the 70s, yet the corporations engulfing of small business and their influence on legislation has reduced the margins on every industry in which one could reasonably expect to grow. Industries like farming, retail, small-scale industry and manufacturing. Bedrock industries that populated town squares and made enough - if run properly - to employ several people and send kids to college, and return value to local communities. Now that's gone. There's Walmart up the road, just off the highway, where the people that would have worked in these now derelict stores scrape by on pittance wages, subsidized by the govt. They pay little to no taxes and their wages are syphoned off into their housing costs, which means the money goes to pay the interest on the mortgages on those properties. They don't spend anything in their local communities anymore - there isn't anything left after housing, food and gas. Their food and gas money goes straight to massive corporations whose stoney-eyed reptilian influence grows ever more insidious and powerful. There's no safety net - the fear of which keeps wages and union-organising down, everything is set up in a race to the bottom. Lowest wages, highest profits - millions of people working for less real value - a higher and higher proportion of the value they generate is taken for corporate profits, concentrated in the hands of an anonymous and unaccountable few.
The American dream is still out there, because America is a land of dreams and dreamers - currently that dream is to return to a time when hard work was an opportunity to advance and build value, in homes, businesses and communities - but the solution is not going to be a political one, and certainly not one that can be achieved by voting in a man whose whole life has been the absolute epitome of acting against this dream. An executor of the faceless corporate profit-monster that sees people die of curable illnesses and strips families of generations of their properties and hopes, runs down the opportunities for education and advancement and doles out increasing advantage to the greedy asset-strippers. Romney is a soulless, heartless cunt and he knows it. Drive around this country - it's a beautiful place, full of open-hearted, trusting, happy people who've been handed a shit sandwich over the last few years. A small number of assholes have run off with an enormous amount of money that the banks are slowly clawing back off everyone else and no one seems to know what to do about it. Along comes this silver-haired cock-face with his awkward smile and lumbering shoulders that have never seen a day's work - and his fucking magic underwear - and promises to take away the real problems - medicare and planned parenthood. What a fucking cunt.
Him, and people like him are absolutely the problem, they've set this place back 20 years, if anyone possibly considers voting for him, they fucking deserve everything they fucking get. What a cunt.
What. A. Cunt.
- aaux0
", so it should be easy to give up something you really never earned or deserved."
What part of his income did he never earn or deserve?
- The bit where he didn't pay tax on the interest his money 'earned' him.mikotondria3
- Obama? was in reply to whhippaaux
- Pffff :). Sorry, I was in blusteringly anti-Romney mode, sorry.
backs away]]mikotondria3 - Its Obama's words- he claims anyone that is rich never really earned it, so I assume he didnt either.whhipp
- That's a blatant misinterpretation what he said. Ignorant at best, dishonest at worst.aaux
- randommail0
Awesomeness !
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- monkeyshine0
Watching Romney and Ryan on 60 Minutes, I'm even more put off by Romney and very suspicious that he really is a puppet of Norquist and his ilk. Creepy. Ryan is like a slick car salesman.
- And Obama is... ? All he preached about Change and how we all need to Unite? Tell me how he has even come close to doing this?whhipp
- close to doing this?whhipp
- < This guy thinks change happens in 1 presidential term. He STARTED change.CygnusZero4
- If you cant see that yet then you probably just have some personal issue with him.CygnusZero4
- Took 3 presidents to pull us out of the great depression genius. Things are slowly changing in this country.CygnusZero4
- I'm sure Obama planned on uniting us but he probably didnt expect Republicans to stoop so low.Josev
- uhmmm... http://www.youtube.c…whhipp
- monkeyshine0
whhipp, there are ways I've been disappointed in Obama but they primarily revolve around his unwillingness to break the republicans when he had a chance...that he did not push single payer health care was a bitter pill for me.
I feel like those like you who are so eager to pin on him what's happening in our country are either as morally corrupt as Norquist or utterly naive. I believe what is happening to America right now has been a long time coming. Obama didn't start it and if McCain or anyone else on the Republican side had been president, I believe we'd be in a similar situation. I'm not saying he holds no accountability or has not made some questionable choices but to single-handedly blame him - and even worse - try to tell me that Romney is the answer? I'm sorry but you lose all credibility.
- ...and if you think Obama should have turned this hot mess around in 2 years, you really are naive.monkeyshine
- well said monkeyshine. i did not expect him to turn it around, but got to admit he isn't what he claims to be + I feel like I stated above, made a bigger divide in our country than lessening it. Romney is not the answer nor one person would be, but I dont like the Obama class warfare rhetoric - which I feel is NOT the answer.whhipp
- above, made a bigger divide in our country than lessening it. Romney is not the answer nor one person would be, but I dont like the Obama class warfare rhetoric - which I feel is NOT the answer.whhipp
- dont like the Obama class warfare rhetoric - which I feel is NOT the answer.whhipp
- one thing... Why did Obama only have 2 years to turn this thing around? Its a 4 year term, I understand it's not completed yet, but its been 3.5 years.whhipp
- The division comes from Republicans systematically disagreeing with WHATEVER Obama proposes...CanHasQBN
- ...EVEN if the Republicans had previously agreed on a matter, and even when they know Obama is right, they willCanHasQBN
- vote against whatever he proposes... in order to run the country in the ground, so they have a better shot of winningCanHasQBN
- the presidential election. Fucking ridiculous.CanHasQBN
- whhipp0
@ Josev, "Republicans to stoop so low" really?
- You do know that this was not from the Obama campaign, right?monkeyshine
- Doesnt matter. It came from the Democrats- you do realize this, correct?whhipp
- I heard a republican once said that Obama was gay. That means all republicans said it.aaux
- aaux- great argument dude. SMHwhhipp
- How is it different from yours? SMH2aaux
- A Republican said as opposed to the Dem. Party Affiliate releasing a National TV Ad. Really? I have to explain this? Plus look at the original post by Josev, 2 posts up in the comments, #6 in which I was responding to. SMH3whhipp
- Plus look at the original post by Josev, 2 posts up in the comments, #6 in which I was responding to. SMH3whhipp
- Define affiliate and why that's any different.aaux
- Republicans had a goddamn leading presidential candidate openly question obama's nationality.aaux
- Ummm... do you know when that was first introduced? Hillary Clinton first questioned Obama's nationality when she ran against him for the Pres Nomination. SMH5whhipp
- ran against him for the Pres Nomination. SMH5whhipp
- and no I wont define and explain. Sometimes you have to learn something on your own.whhipp
- Actually it was well before that in 2004 but I guess you don't want to know.aaux
- Oh, please. Google "Karl Rove tactics".Josev
- this is true. this is an important face about romney. more people should be mentioning this.rosem
- rosem you have to be kidding. talk about having some jacked up perspective in the world.whhipp
- i guess we need a country where everything works out and no one gets fired or laid off. ridiculous nonsense.whhipp
- Josev0
L..O..L @ whhipp for not noticing how obstructionist the Republicans have been in the last four years. All to sabotage Obama's presidency. They'd fuck over their own constituents before they'd let him achieve anything.
- No jobs bill. 33 votes to repeal the Healthcare. They've just fucked about and fiddled while Rome burns. Criminal, the lot.mikotondria3
- lol. whhipp blames Obama for "the division". Fucking bullshit.CanHasQBN
- Tsk, he hasn't done all the things he could have achieved with a functioning house, tsk. No ' Change' there. Fucken duh.mikotondria3
- utopian0
FFS give the Mormon a break!
Romney now has a God fearing white Christian on his team.
- ETM0
Obama compromised everything to make good on his campaign promise of bi-partisanship. Rather than be a quality party of the people, the Republicans used that to weaken him, rather than strengthen the country. Putting themselves and their petty issues above your nation's interests. The Dems were little better in not standing stronger for what they believe in. The compromises to the healthcare bill, rendered it so much less valuable, all just to placate the Republicans who want to overturn it anyway. Any wish to do so without (based on their rhetoric) even a vote to see what the public truly wants. Skewed opinion polls do not count.
And all Obama wanted to do was something similar to what Ronald Regan and other past presidents wished to do. Ronald Regan, the Republican demi-god, who by their current, extreme right-wing standards, would have appeared left-wing.
- Sorry I fucked up my facts (damn whiskey) it was Richard Nixon (Rep) who proposed universal care. Sorry.ETM
- Put away your torches, I apologize.ETM
- Your point still stands. THe recession was still so bad in mid-terms the GOP was infected by the tea party...mikotondria3
- ...and that just caused the whole pres/house/senate thing to stagnate, like a blocked heart. We've all suffered since.mikotondria3
- And the general point that Regan's overall policy was still very leftist compared to today's Republican agenda.ETM
- formed0
whhipp - the divide in our country accelerated under Bush II. The destruction of the middle class has been on a downward spiral for so long now it is hard to comprehend it slowing anytime soon.
Is Obama some shining example of optimism and idealistic strength? No, he's a politician. I won't profess to think he's anything more (or less).
I personally don't hold much faith that any single leader [president] can single handedly make that much of a difference. Not after we've seen the power that can stagnate and push the world to a precarious edge (yup, them Tea Party folk shook the world, like a child shakes a bug in a jar, oblivious to the repercussions of their naive and selfish actions).
So is Obama great? No, I could make a long list of what I found/find appalling about his record. However, the alternative scares me as much as the Cold War did. Perhaps even more, as it would be a slow, painful death.
This promotion of such extremes, such ridiculous righteousness (Norquist anyone?), is as close insanity as I've ever seen. This obstructionism is simply, imho, about as "anti-American" and anti-entrepreneurial an action as our country has seen in my lifetime.
I dislike both parties, severely. However, one is not so great, and one is run by insanity. I'll take the 'not so great', have a drink, and keep working hard ('cause I can still work, dammit!).
- ukit20
The most ridiculous idea here is that it's class warfare against the rich that is the problem in America. This is like some kind of 1984 level propaganda. You have 1% controlling almost half of the wealth. A third of the population in poverty or one missed paycheck away.
Obama is offering some very mild rhetoric about the problem. His most radical policy is to raise the top tax rate from 35% to 38%. Meanwhile Ryan's budget will cut the top tax rate by 10% while basically ending Medicare, Social Security, and any programs to help the poor.
- last part is actually wrong.zenmasterfoo
- and the firstzenmasterfoo
- http://news.yahoo.co…
"Ryan would cut the top tax rate to 25 percent from 35 percent."ukit2 - You must have thought it was wrong since it's so hard to believeukit2
- rubbish.whhipp
- formed0
It just seems insane to me that anyone can argue that with a straight face.
"Let's give more breaks to the super wealth, it will "incentivize" people to "work" to be rich too...or the "job creators" (not how that motto has conveniently disappeared once corporations were making record profits and still no hiring!), er, "taxing success"...will want to share their success by hiring others"
Insanity, plane and simple. Once again, superb propaganda by the right, pathetic marketing/education by the left.
- ukit20
Another point about Ryan, he voted to spend trillions on the Iraq War and military. Voted to spend trillions on TARP on the bank bailouts. Trillions on the Bush tax cuts which were not paid for and were supposed to expire in 2010.
Then when it comes to peoples' retirement benefits, suddenly there is a crisis and we need to cut this and privatize that.
- That's part of the nauseating bs on both sides - this problem has been coming for agesformed
- monkeyshine0
"Let's give more breaks to the super wealth, it will "incentivize" people to "work" to be rich too...or the "job creators" (not how that motto has conveniently disappeared once corporations were making record profits and still no hiring!), er, "taxing success"...will want to share their success by hiring others"
This reminds me of the scene in Mars Attacks where the aliens are shooting everyone while saying, don't run. we're your friends.