IE10 to ditch flash
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- zarkonite
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft…
"Windows 8 will have two versions of Internet Explorer 10: a conventional browser that lives on the legacy desktop, and a new Metro-style, touch-friendly browser that lives in the Metro world. The second of these, the Metro browser, will not support any plugins. Whether Flash, Silverlight, or some custom business app, sites that need plugins will only be accessible in the non-touch, desktop-based browser."
Interesting development, it looks like MS is trying to simplify their software to avoid bugs.
- registe0
- timelinepopfodders
- not true, obama did it! TEA PARTY FOREVER!zarkonite
- nb0
I heard that now Adobe is going to stop making CS for Mac AND Windows!!!!!
- ukit0
- detritus0
No, they're just keeping their Idiot-Consumer level demographics safe from nasties. Just as Apple does with its consumer devices, ringfence the idiots so they can hurt themselves, and in the process shove them through a premium apps channel to wring them for their idiot dollar.
All us lot, and everyone else who actually uses computers, we'll still be lumbered with that vicious whore, Flash.
- CyBrainX0
is animation part of what you do? If so, what do you recommend as an alternative. I'm not trying to be rhetorical. I think it's a valid question because Flash was a pretty good solution. Obviously something like After Effects combined with 3D would be better, but for smaller projects that can't have video, Flash is great.
I need a timeline based animation tool. Coding is great for basic tweens, rollovers and transitions, but what about something more complex?
- weight weight weight, after effect render humongous flas or you can spend days getting the right xfl weight/quality ratioGeorgesII
- Flash is horrible for animating in though. The app is a pile of dogshitanimatedgif
- Better than animated gifs ? :)fyoucher1
- jon_d0
cybrain, show me an example of one of your projects.
- My portfolio is mostly up to date http://talesfromtheh…CyBrainX
- Projectile0
But how will we make web banners "pop"??!!!
seriously, though.. everyone seems really excited to see the demise of things like the Monet site and a lot of other beautiful stuff. Why?
Timeline based animation is really quick to use and is extremely powerful. I haven't seen anything even mildly impressive done in HTML5 yet. A lot of crap stuff has been done in CSS, Java you name it... but somehow everyone's hating the Flash? If it disappears I'll miss it, personally, and I really hope something decent replaces it. And I'm not talking about something that you have to bea mathematical genius to make a pixel move with... I'm talking something that creatives can pick up easily and use effectively
- nb0
@Projectile
I think it's because Flash isn't just beautiful sites. It's a whole lot of bullshit, with the occasional good site.
For example, if I go read some news article, the page might have a couple Flash ads on the side or some silly Flash navigation. It's slows down my experience, often crashes my browser, kills the battery on my laptop, makes the fan run forever, etc. All that bullshit.
So I think people want to see flash disappear so we can eliminate all that bullshit from our web browsing experience. Yes, we'll lose the good sites, too. But eventually we'll figure out new ways of creating that stylish content and animation without the use of Flash.
- yesdoesnotexist
- Why do people blame Flash for the bad work done with it?CyBrainX
- Good point. It's not the fault of Flash. Still, if we remove Flash we remove the bullshit.nb
- Ok, so you're going to get crap HTML5 ads instead, which perform a helluvalot worsefyoucher1
- Flash has been around for a long time, and sucks nearly as bad as when it was released. Give HTML5 some time.nb
- Also, it's not Flash vs. HTML5. It's The Past vs. The Future. Move forward.nb
- How does it suck? It's come along way in it's abilities, doing many many things that HTML couldn't do.fyoucher1
- I'd hope eventually HTML could do those things but I'll probably be retired by the time that happens.fyoucher1
- ahli0
If battery draining = CPU usage, then you don't think Web GL and all that shizzle doesn't hammer the CPU?
- As part of a more efficient stack, it onw't hammer the CPU as much as Flash, no.detritus
- Can't Adobe improve their framework as well? Wouldn't they be faster at it than the W3?zarkonite
- detritus, have you heard of stage video and efficient programming practices?ahli
- Doesn't matter if deitrus has heard of it. Most flash developers are hacks who don't give a shit. Kids, amateurs, etc.nb
- Good point, nb.ahli
- Very true nb, but the same will apply to HTML5 moving forward. Same shit, diff techfyoucher1
- vaxorcist0
Does anyone know if browser's implentation of flash-like things in CSS/javascript is nearly as memory-leak-likely as flash?
When I browse with 27 tabs open and flash block on, I'm fine.. but if I turn off flash-block and browse a bunch of mainstream news sites with "web banners that really pop!"... it's only a matter of time before browser gets slow and flash crashes chrome....
- CyBrainX0
"As part of a more efficient stack, it won't hammer the CPU as much as Flash, no."
What you've seen so far is non-Flash content that is not as rich and media intensive because there aren't that many people doing it yet. It's not as easy and designers are not going to quickly learn CSS/jQuery/javascript so what you're seeing is work that is weaker.
Thanks again Steve Jobs and your anti-Flash bandwagon.
- jon_d0
The CyBriain critique:
1. Design: Your design sensibilities are average at best. Your site design is sterile and could barely be used to market prescription meds.
2. Functionality: The functionality on your site is nothing special that needs flash. It could be done in HTML without any problems. The only project I see that uses something that is a bit complex for html is the birthday cake project. (which is way cool btw)
3. Video: Just use quicktime or youtube and get over flash video streaming. No one wants to steal your videos so DRM is ridiculous on this stuff.
I really don't understand your love affair with flash, it is not like your work displays high levels of interactivity and tewwn morph animation.
Let it go.
- jon_d0
tewwn = tween.
- ukit0
How about we discuss these issue without resorting to personal attacks. His personal website has no bearing on his opinion on the topic.
