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- Fax_Benson
I'm getting some wedding invites printed up and was hoping use a pantone metallic (maybe PMS 8100) on a nice dark uncoated stock. Are there any issues I need to be aware of? Will the metallic bleed into the paper? I don't get to do much print these days, so any advice appreciated.
Cheers.
- monospaced0
I just did this, actually. The metallic won't look as...metallic...on an uncoated stock. It won't bleed more or less than other inks, but don't get your hopes up as if you're printing on a coated stock.
- < thisspendogg
- Thanks mono - that's much as I thought.Fax_Benson
- what was the finish like mono? Worth doing?Fax_Benson
- well, I did letterpress, but I think the metallic was kinda pointless because the flakes were not visiblemonospaced
- plash0
dont forget to put the metallic layer on its own channel.
- or better yet, don't do layout in photoshophorton
- haha. it's a good point well made though.Fax_Benson
- http://kb2.adobe.com…plash
- horton0
print metalic on white and flood with a black. 2 spot colors probably won't cost much more than 1.
or look into foil, but will cost significantly more.
- would also allow you to do some neat subtle effects with metallic overlapping black halftones.horton
- of course, core of paper won't be black, but invites would be an easy handjob fix with sharpie.horton
- what about a double hit of silver. I had success doing that on a hard linen sheet.Josev
- LOL at "east handjob fix"duck3
- i_monk0
Overprint a clear varnish just on the metallic, that might help.
- Fax_Benson0
Generally speaking, is there a big jump between a metallic pantone and a matt foil in terms of price?
- rascuache0
- I'm a liar and an idiot, I do have a better photo.
http://www.flickr.co…rascuache - here, rather http://farm6.static.…rascuache
- cool. i think the texture of the paper also helps, it's grainy looking.k_temp
- I'm a liar and an idiot, I do have a better photo.
- horton0
^ but that's printed on uncoated WHITE paper... yeah? original question was about metallic on dark uncoated paper.
- my metallic had the same effect on dark paper...it's there, but you have to point it out to notice it most of the timemonospaced
- Fax_Benson0
Thanks rascuache, looks good. I take it that was on a white stock?
- or what horton saidFax_Benson
- Oh yeh sorry, was on white. Printed metallics on black a few years ago and got similar resultsrascuache
- Fax_Benson0
- not bad, looks like flaky metallic...duhsign
- it's more likely the paper's 'formation' causing that look...and the regular metallics do have a 'flake' to them naturallymonospaced
- duhsign0
Step one, ask for a sample/draw down on your stock. Shouldn't be a problem.
I think your results will be a little better at least than printing on white stock. Might ask you printer about a double hit. I wouldn't varnish, tried that recently and it just looked like varnished shiny grey.
- double hit would practically guarantee a good resultmonospaced
- Fax_Benson0
Any experience with matt / satin foils? In my limited experience I've found that you lose the texture of the uncoated paper beneath the foil.
- gramme0
As others have said, yes, metallics will be opaque on dark uncoated paper. But unless you use a special ($$) metallic ink like Mirasheen or Topstar, it won't have much shimmer, and even then it'll be subtle.
Engraving is the way to go if you have the money to spend. The cost is comparable to foil stamping.
If you don't want to spend the cash, silver ink on brown, navy, or black uncoated still looks good. And gold on brown, black, or deep red works as well. Metallic on uncoated is really your only option for one-color litho on dark paper. "Opaque" white litho ink isn't very opaque. Looks nice and subtle for very big type or line art. Nearly invisible on small type.
- gramme0
BTW, if you want a reference for metallic on dark uncoated, see the Surface Mix book on my website. It's the first project. We use a special high-flake silver and gold on black paper. Not exactly environmentally friendly, but it was only for delicate line art. Same thing on the AIA book, too, except I think that one was just straight 877 and it came out fine.
- doesnotexist0
TALK TO YOUR PRINTER
- I was hoping my printer would just stumble across this thread and work out what I need.Fax_Benson
- spendogg0
I really like metallics on matte paper - it feels unusual and people dont generally know why.