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- fadein110
@horp - an intellectual troll to aspire to. You have educated me in the ways of the interwebs... Merci Beaucoup! x
- Horp0
Before you commit any more thoughts to the internet... think.
Think very carefully about what you are saying, and how it reflects upon you as a person. One day everything will be effortlessly traceable back to the source and the author. You might just be Fadein11 today, but tomorrow the technology could be introduced that identifies who you are, and then you'll have to be accountable for the pitiful drivel you keep sputtering onto computer screens all over the world today.
Just think how many people know Fadein11 is a mentally substandard dick right now, then imagine that knowledge suddenly being translated and attrributed to a real name, a real person with a real occupation at a real company.
Just do yourself a favour and think through your intentions, really hard, for a good number of minutes. Be really really really sure you absolutely want to say what it is you're about to say.
Best of luck.
- Horp0
"On my year long philosophy course I learned a lot abote the philosphoers and all about how dey were full of thiese wadnerful ideas and stuff and then the teecher tolded us that whot you must do when having a discussin is to rebuke anyone who dissagreys with you buy calling them plebs and telling them not to teke it orl so serusly and then I got moy certificate and went home for some twizzlers"
- do some work fuckwitfadein11
- are you are french - I love Jean Baudrillard although he is considered lightweight in philosophical circlesfadein11
- Fuck me you're right on the money there mate. I take it all back, you clearly know your stuff.Horp
- similar tone to their work actually.fadein11
- You failed to detect my barely concealed sarcasm there. Allow me to draw your attention to it.
< <<<<<Horp - of course I didn't... can we just be friends?fadein11
- You lack the requisite intelligence to be a friend of mine. You can be a whimsy, a plaything if you like. A toy.Horp
- I am intelligent though... I am. Please don't day that to me. I will try harder!fadein11
- day=say - oops lolfadein11
- fadein110
I liked it... THREAD OVER
- fadein110
and yep we didnt study her as she was not taken seriously in an philospohical circles - wasnt part of the course... so there you go.
Shes utter shit.
- fadein110
Apologies @horp - you are obviously superior to me. Congratulations.
- detritus0
Christ, fadein11, you come across as a bit of a fool.
You admit you did a “year long philosophy course, but had never heard of Ayn Rand, lol” and then when someone on this board responds with a genuinely engaging conversayion, your ego assumes some personal slight and responds with what can best be described as a juvenile response.
idiot.
- just thought you were taking it a bit seriously...fadein11
- fadein110
@horp - are you a troll or just due on the blob?
chill out... its more intellectual than 95% of the shit we get on TV and it doesnt hurt a bit of accessible thought provoking stuff that will get the masses thinking beyond the usual shit... dont bother replying - I wont be.
- CableStudios0
It kind of leaves you feeling a bit worried about the state of affairs regarding the Economy ect... "we are in a limbo, waiting for the next crash"
Heres a good video on what you can do.
- This was the most interesting thing in my opinion. I was really interested in the actual state of play right now.Horp
- CableStudios0
Here it is
:)
- Horp0
- detritus0
Jesus you make me feel stupid sometimes, Spooky.
I'd've left it at “Ayn Rand was a bog eyed needy neurotic who suffered from a cult of personality”, though perhaps with a couple of expletives and my favourite insult, ‘autist’, in there too.
- Horp0
"I think it is more a kind of documentation of our times "
Beg to differ. The general thread of this documentary was that thanks to Ayn Rand, the world's economy is fucked.
The truth is, Ayn Rand was a bog eyed needy neurotic who suffered from a cult of personality and managed to gather a small following around her and her utterly flawed "philosophy". That philosophy amounted to little more than a single line idea of pre-pubescent construction. It can be argued that The Collective were a bunch of academics and intellectuals who went on to become major players in various areas of global development, or it could be argued that this was merely a gang of privileged individuals sucked into a sociopathic desire to hide away from the world in a Manhattan apartment in order to explore the playground of their home-constructed rationale. That they were empathetic to Rand's needy philosophy doesn't mean for one moment that Rand's philosophy (and I use the word with increasing reluctancy) influenced them. It merely suggests a correlation between their cerebral positioning and her own.
To claim that silicon valley was founded on "Randian principles" by citing company names and children's names as proof, and pointing out that many of silicon valleys founders were inspired by her novel would be like claiming vast swathes of modern business are the direct result of Spielberg and Lucas' cinematic efforts.
The two most significant companies in Silicon valley have no inspirational connection to Ayn Rand at all. Both cite Douglas Adams as a key inspiration and developmental figurehead after the fact of their inception (Microsoft and Apple), and Adams could not be more further from Rand in terms of ideology.
What happened to American economic policy was going to happen anyway. The seeds of it predate and also dwarf the influences of The Collective and the writings of Rand.
So whilst it can be viewed as harmless entertainment, I don't think it can be viewed as 'documentary' or even 'accurate' any more than a game of Six degrees of Kevin Bacon could be.
- Don't you even question the fact that Ayn Rand could find no single philosophical point of connection amongst the ...Horp
- legions of great philosophers who have lived over many thousands of years?Horp
- Does that not tell you something about the rigour of her own philosophical perspective?Horp
- Lets not get into her inability to maintain eye contact for more than a second.Horp
- "Harold Camping was a game changer in the world of billboard advertising"Horp
- GeorgesII0
so where can I stream this doc?
- fadein110
I agree with the above to a degree but I still like the fact the BBC commissions such work and although the journalism is pedestrian I think it is more a kind of documentation of our times - more of an impression than an attempt to do rigorous analysys. Stylistically its great and a nice aside to the shit that UK (and the worlds) TV broadcasts...
- Horp0
I personally found it interesting but a little pedestrian. The basic "economic" facts he presented are well known to anyone with only half an ear to the global markets, and the stepping stones he took to link up that (the meat of the presentation) to the cultural background (the pastry and some spice) were at times tenuous and circumstantial. There was nothing in this programme that wasn't already known, it was merely an example of making reality an entertaining romp for the articulate middle masses.
It was a bit like a fun trawl through the wikipedia with some nice music and archive footage dropped on to add a superficial sense of satisfaction to the hungry viewer. McJournalism.
- Must try harder.Horp
- haha, quite— but McJournalism is what all those peeps who don't scour the recesses of the internet need..detritus
- Is there anyone left in the demographic this programme targets that doesn't trawl the internet though?Horp
- To that, I have no answer other than meek agreement and a typical concerns of confirmation bias and neuronal hardwiring.detritus
- straightola0
This was fantastic, he did little atoms on resonance fm (on itunes too) and the rest of the series sounds like its going to get even better