apple religion
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- raf0
Apple are innocent choir boys compared with immoral, anti-competitive practices employed by your beloved Adobe Boz.
I have a choice not to use Apple—whether it's OS, phone or whatnot—but no choice not to use Adobe because they bought out the competition (Macromedia) and slashed competing products, inflating remaining product prices since.
Funny enough, it's in part thanks to Apple that I don't have to use Flash anymore, another technology controlled by Adobe.
- ESKEMA0
*rolls eyes, walk out of thread.
- ukit0
- inteliboy0
What? How is that different? People craze and obsess about all kinds of shit.
Have you ever gone to a Nintendo site? Or an Xbox site? Or read messages at the end of an IGN article? These guys are MEGA fanboys and dare you question anything about their beloved company of choice.
Secondly - Boz you always speak of "they" and the "cult" and "fanboys". Who are these people and where are they? I've never actually met or argued with one of this people in real life... (not including sport!) ... or maybe these tech-rivalries choose-a-corporation-or-die is a sport to you?
- pillhead0
Jesus, this bloody Apple thing is getting out of hand. I still think it's ridiculous watching all these people act like this for what is a peace of electronics. Well, at least it gives me something to laugh about.
- Boz0
None of those examples are driven by cult like religious following. They are driven by either price or a specific feature or simply entertainment.
Apple is very unique in religious, cult like behavior among fans and you can see that very openly when you argue them. Apple can do no wrong and even if it does it has to be a very good reason for it and it's overblown.
With Apple, cult followers are enchanted by the company, the brand and what that company gives them in terms of identity and feeling superior.
- GeorgesII0
this pic will never get old
- chrisRG0
Apple fans are pretty much the same as Nirvana and Iron Maiden fans.
You like the brand/band but the fanboys make it look "silly".
- orrinward0
You don't get it for fridges, but you do get it at a lot of products.
Oh, those Apple fanboys are on another level from everyone else aren't they...
- buuurrrrrnnnnnnreinitialize
- Those In-N-Out videos are another good example.fugged
- Boz0
You'll almost never see anyone waiting for refrigerators, or PCs, or whatever other electronic products in front of the electronics store (unless they are selling a $2000 TV for $300).
Apple's cult is really unique in that..Take a look at Guy Kawasaki who worked for Apple (btw, it wouldn't be a bad thing for anyone who wants to understand how the cult behavior starts to read his book called The Art of Changing Hearts, Minds, and Actions).
He was the manager and main guy at Apple who's sole responsibility was to create zealot behavior among Mac fans and create hatred towards PCs and instigate mocking and really just get the cult going. He was the guy who was paid to use enchantment to create a Mac cult.
So when we discus this phenomenon, we should take a look at how this came to be.
Apple fanboys or supporters or however you want to call them are drilled with the marketing message specifically tailored to them in order to make them feel superior to everyone else, that their choices about computing and getting into platform with absolutely no choices in a larger sense are the right one and everyone else is wrong.
The reason this enchantment works (even though it's not factual) is because Apple makes great design, so it's much easier to start believing at something if your subjective view is driven by vanity and design alone.
I mean it has become ridiculous to the point where anyone who even doesn't own a product lusts over it because this message of superiority is always popular and easily believable.
But draw a line from psychological aspect and you quickly realize that it's the identical behavior of a cult, thus the religious reaction equivalent.
- Enchantment: The Art of Changing Hearts, Minds, and Actions is the book nameBoz
- orrinward0
Anyone that suggests that this behaviour is exclusive to Apple fans rather than fandom is a bit deluded.
The behaviour in the video is the same as at any red carpet event, or launch for any hot product.
The majority of Apple customers do not go to launch parties for products and wouldn't be screaming out loud. This is a very focused group of fanatics, that you get in any religion and any fan base, be it for people, a sports team, your favourite band, the latest Apple product or the latest Android OS release.
I hate this kind of journalism. It proves nothing and just drives stereotypes.
It's like going to France for a funeral, coming back and saying 'The French are a mopy bunch'.
'What's dangerous with Apple cult and the way fans react is that they don't question the Apple's business behavior and anti-competitive behavior.'
Your casual user wants a fancy phone that they can fling birds at pigs on and watch YouTube on. They shouldn't really have to care about the business behaviour. Surely that's something for the Competition Commission and other similar organisations.
It seems that you (Boz) struggle to understand that other people make their decisions based on a different set of criteria. You are a hypernerd and you develop for these platforms as a profession right? If this is the case, then you're probably making the right choice by deciding what product you like based on it's technical specification, business ethics e.t.c. This decision process is not for everyone.
I'm no hypernerd, but I am a bit geeky and at University I dabbled in Mobile development. I opted for an Android Phone as I could hack it easily and I could develop and distribute my App without having to conform to code standards. I chose Android for that reason.
If Android was a closed system like Apple, but they had some sexy rapid app prototyping software I'd still go with it, because whether their business structure is open or closed doesn't affect me.
I dislike Apple because of how closed-off they are. I dislike Apple as I find their products to be overhyped and horrendously overpriced. However, I respect these are simply opinions, and everyone is entitled to their own.
I get quite bothered by your rants, as you always opt for the 'I know more than you so you're wrong in your decision' approach. You shove your views down peoples mouths, telling them that their decisions are wrong, yet you call them the fanatic. You're just a soapbox preacher.
- prophetone0
i miss my 6100/60
- i miss my 2600... i should really get that back & play it soonlogi
- Boz0
well no.. because I look at them as tools and not status symbol or I get them due to some kind of evangelical, cult like dedication. I would NEVER EVER wait in line to buy their product or high five someone.
I have to use a Mac these days because I do stuff for their platform as well and they have a significant share of the market as well. I'm not really a good measurement but I can clearly see what and how Apple operates exactly because I use their products, I work tightly with their APIs and platform as well.
You can like a product but you don't have to be compliant and approve of every awful thing the company does.
To be perfectly honest I think the rise of Apple and the lock down approach they've pioneered does only bad things for progress and innovation overall.
It's funny, the most proprietary and closed up company preaching and criticizing Google for example in being not fully open or criticizing Adobe and Flash over HTML5? Hypocritical much?
You do see the irony and dishonesty there right? That by itself doesn't make the finish of their product worse, but it tells A LOT about the company itself.
I would like nothing more then to not have to use Apple products. I just love PC and I love everything that gives us choices even if it's a bit less "pretty".
- I'll just leave this right here.
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- I'll just leave this right here.
- fugged0
I'm a huge fan, and I love to criticize their products and practices. I just don't sound like a dick when I do it.
- Boz0
What's dangerous with Apple cult and the way fans react is that they don't question the Apple's business behavior and anti-competitive behavior . In the past 2-3 years it has been numerous examples of Apple's unethical and immoral behavior that tops the WORST in the industry, yet the consumers give them a pass and justify it as overblown, because they react the same way a cult member would. They don't question anything about their leader and simply will find the justification for any unethical, greedy, anti-competitive, anti-consumer behavior and see it as totally acceptable because it's their cult leader doing it.
It is always fascinating and sad to me at the same time that I haven't found many other Apple users who can be critical of Apple in any way, shape or form. I use their products daily and I have A LOT of criticism and hate towards their business model. I'm not talking about polish or design of their products here which I like overall, it's the ideology and unethical and immoral approach to conducting their business. What's even more disturbing is that the same users who are being locked in and used by Apple continuously brag about how Apple makes a lot of money without understanding that Apple is able to do that BECAUSE of their anti-consumer stand and is nothing to be happy about.
I am yet to find a fan of their products who will be open and admit and criticize bad things they do. And that's one of the clearest indications that it's really a cult-like behavior.
- Dodecahedron0
There is substance to apple just like there is substance to real religions of the world. Problem is branding and marketing is an empty art form just like idol worship. Idol worship is to some interpretations against the ten commandments.
