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Gun laws.. 343343 Responses
Last post: 8 months ago | Thread started: Mar 10, 09, 7:35 p.m.
- aaux
So is there agreement that further regulation of the firearms would be good? For example, to buy a firearm, you need to first go through a certification class on the use and handling of firearms, same type of thing you need to do if you want to legally drive a car.
Also, tracking more closely the types and quantities of firearms that people are purchasing. For example, you suddenly decide to buy 4 hand guns, 3 rifles, several hundred rounds of ammunition and a kevlar vest, you would pop up on the FBI watch list immediately.
I know these solutions wouldn't target the criminal activity specifically, but it would potentially reduce the accident deaths from mishandling and also help spot these random shooting sprees before they happen.
- Dog-earAug 1, 12, 8:27 a.m. – Permalink
- yurimon
A Free society can only sustain itself if people are moral and vigilant people who act to protecting their rights and rights of their neighbors.
Also a society that has ability to think clearly and are vigilant in action in making proper choices. Values are important factor in this which also determine identity. You are less subject to divide and conquer strategies if you are aware of these factors.
It is possible to deceive people and synergistically take advantage of the times to fuel change that inevitably leads to a desired outcome for those who have access to power which most likely "The Big Money", this is done through Hegelianism or hegelian dialectic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He…
Again America has enemies and the term know your enemy has never been true.
Basically subversion by the socialist/fascist book. All the socialist, fascist ideology to subvert a country all wrapped in one.You have to look at the historic picture of events before you make short sighted conclusions.. There is a long history to try to subvert this country... thats reality.
- Dog-earAug 1, 12, 8:54 a.m. – Permalink
- CanHasQBN
"Also a society that has ability to think clearly and are vigilant in action in making proper choices. Values are important factor in this which also determine identity. You are less subject to divide and conquer strategies if you are aware of these factors."
- - - - - -What the hell? It's really tough to make sense of your writing, as you seem to have some trouble constructing a proper sentence.
All of your vague rambling about values, morals, and vigilance has nothing to do with the laws that allow a person to purchase 100-round clips. In fact, allowing such a thing, flies in the face of any values and morals a country could have. This is something a third-world country would allow... a place where differences are solved with bullets and blood. As far as vigilance, why do you assume one can only be vigilant if they are armed? There are some really odd generalizations and incomplete ideas there. Are the unarmed people of Europe not vigilant? Are they living horrible, dangerous lives because they are not armed? Statistics say otherwise.
You are not a "Free Society" if you feel the need to own a gun. You are a fearful, paranoid society.
Regarding "desired outcomes" for "Big Money". Huh? Um, The NRA lobbies our government with money, and they make a tremendous amount of money themselves by planting the seeds of fear into American people. They are there to sell a product. They couldn't give less of a shit what people do with guns, whether people use them to kill or protect. The NRA is "Big Money".
And then you post a video that's 1hr 20minutes long. This is how out of tune you are with the human mind... that you actually think someone will watch a video that long. Good grief.
- Dog-earAug 1, 12, 9:37 a.m. – Permalink
- yurimon
Obviously you have demonstrated what thinking clearly is not "CanHas". lol
First of all thinking clearly along your values is an important attribute. Your mind can be influenced and programmed easily and you can adopt ideas through culture, Media, Propaganda, Politics, etc. Given a program of thought that will clog your head with stupidity and cause you to react improperly because your THeory and Practice concepts are out of whack. Then you make stupid comments like you have.Theory and Practice. Something can work in theory and not in practice, Something can work in practice but not in theory.
Along those lines of people get conned into giving up their life savings. Or on government level, think about utopian ideas spread amongst the population. remember history is important. the selling point of the russian revolution was. "Peace, Bread, and Land". That turned out well.
You will hear the need for more of sacrifice, Utopian ideas that empower the Government and turn rights for privileges. blah blah for promises. Guess what? once you give it up thats it...
Oh NRA is big money but doesnt make it kosher. Most people who are for constitutional rights see through the organization. IF you have rights you dont need to register anything. its a right its inalienable.. NRA Its still a political organization. You are given a focus in the news and sometimes its to divert your attention from something else. NRA is that type of beast.
The strength in the 2nd amendment is that its is right, not because there is an NRA. get it? NRA tries to make the 2nd amendment into a hunting privilege. But the core value of the 2nd Amendment is to protect yourself from tyranny, enemies foreign and domestic. You can give it up your rights by consent. Now your getting into Contracts...
Your free to contract and become a slave anytime you with. That is why it is important to study this stuff. No excuse for ignorance especially if you get your self enslaved by a system. it will and can happen historically. That is the plight of the common man. The common person has hardly been free historically. People have been owned by other people or by the state historically and it is a constant battle for freedom.
When it comes to wisdom of the people who founded this country in its true essence, you cant go wrong. So dont be fooled into giving up your god given right. Read and study more of the constitution and what the founders wrote about it...
Nothing wrong with studying. There are alot of credible people who gave up their life to warn you, help. And there is just as many or more that try to deceive you..
- Dog-earAug 1, 12, 10:22 a.m. – Permalink
- formed
Forget the "criminal" activities, if you are going to sell a trunk load of coke, you can probably find an untraceable gun.
Those aren't the problems. They don't go around massacring people (not in this country, anyway).
It is the easy accessibility of high power guns to the general public. If someone doesn't care about getting caught, or worse, plans on dieing after their attack, then it when not just get one at the corner store?
The problem is that guns are just too easy to get, there are too many of them, and the capacities are just too large.
Why does anyone need at 30 round clip? If my memory serves, it was about 20+ years ago that they limited the capacity of handguns.
- Dog-earAug 1, 12, 11:14 a.m. – Permalink
- CanHasQBN
I think there's too much latching on to the past. The the idea that if something is old, it must be wise and correct. This applies to such things such as the Bible and the Constitution. 'How dare one question these old writings! For they are old! And must be right!'
All they do is hold back progress. You latch on to them out of tradition and pride.
You use the 2nd amendment as a crutch to justify your guns. Yet your weapons are more aligned with slingshots than they are to whatever your government has. You can blab on and on about defending against a tyrannical government, but your militia won't be able to do anything against the US military. Is it difficult to accept this? Does it make you feel weak?
- Dog-earAug 1, 12, 11:46 a.m. – Permalink
- CanHasQBN
If one goes on and on about the right to bear arms and the need to protect their family, but then in the same breath proclaims that 100-round clips should continue to be legal, then there's something wrong with that picture.
There's a separate, violent voice in that person's head that is speaking not for the right to bear arms, nor to protect family.
Why can't we regulate weapons and ammunition? For what purpose does a 100-round clip serve other than to massacre 30 people?
Why are you OK with some forms of regulation to weapons, but not others? Surely an fully automatic weapon would work better against a tyrannical government than your little pistol, right? So where do you draw the line as to what you're ok with regulating, and what you're NOT ok with regulating?
Is your safety in any more danger because fully automatic weapons have been made illegal? Would your safety be in danger if 100-round clips were made illegal?
- Dog-earAug 1, 12, 12:10 p.m. – Permalink
- yurimon
"CanAs" I would recommend some long term studying before you make comments. You seem to focus off topic here...ADD?
I am sure your no saint and your definitely not free from stupidity.
Don't worry I was stupid also when younger. Seems everyone is but not everyone gets out it. Just an invitation for you to study. its your choice if you like to keep yourself in ignorance, don't get upset when it all goes to crap... Nothing more dangerous then collective ignorance.so lets see... I don't see Martin Luther Kings Jr philosophy or body of work trashed because he kept a harem full of women and conceived lots of babies out of wedlock. had these woman locked up in a home. Thats classy.
You don't dismiss all his effort or body of work do you?
Slavery and taking Indian land is terrible, don't wish it on anyone. I don't see you doing anything about giving land back to the indians if you so strongly believe it or just try to use it as cheap way discredit a whole body of work? IF you live in america you can buy a piece of land and give it to an american Indian and leave the country. what better way to respect their land rights? plus don't forget that africans made money of slavery also. Is anyone angry at them? so did other races. Oh I hope your mad at the Dutch because they started slavery...
I don't feel guilty of the past simply because I wasn't there and secondly I treat people best I can on character.
The Body of law and writing on the subject of freedom still relevant today simply because your taking these right for granted today.
Simply that you have recourse if ever someone does you harm even if its the law. Thats one thing most places in the world don't have. Police can beat the crap out of you and cant press charges. Still not perfect but if you know your stuff your really free.. Sure there is a lot of corruption. But thats on your watch. Government is the servant of the people and your sovereign. If your butler steals money from you by charging up your credit card and you cant pay the bill, and you do nothing about it. your the sucker. Thats how it is.“Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?”
Franklin: “A Republic, if you can keep it.”
- Dog-earAug 1, 12, 12:41 p.m. – Permalink
- melq
In China, possession of firearms is prohibited, unless you are a member of the military or police.
Which is awesome, because that means mass killings of the scale noted a few posts above won't happen there.
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news…
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My point is not so much "Yay, guns!" as it is the fact violence is an awful part of our reality. Guns aren't any more a magic pill to make violence disappear than they are a primary catalyst for human-against-human violence. Guns are, however, a convenient tool to demonize.
- Dog-earAug 5, 12, 6:23 p.m. – Permalink
- ukit2
^ Yes but that's one incident you're talking about.
Overall, China has far fewer murders than the U.S.:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis…
So using your own reasoning, guns are responsible.
- Dog-earAug 5, 12, 7:24 p.m. – Permalink
- monolith
The redneck went on a rampage to clear out muslims, even though these guys weren't muslims.
Wisconsin shooting gunman kills 6
http://www.washingtonpost.com/na…Let's give racist, gay hating rednecks pumped up by Fox News and right wing extremist views, more guns. That will solve it.
- Dog-earAug 5, 12, 8:33 p.m. – Permalink
- CygnusZero4
^ This guy in the comments said it best.
"Gun control laws keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens that follow the laws, not the criminal that will find one illegally"
Put a total ban on guns in the US, and the import business goes up, and the criminals would get them anyway just as they are getting weapons now without permits. Compared to all the gun murders in the US, such a miniscule amount of them are done with registered weapons.
- Dog-earAug 6, 12, 6:45 a.m. – Permalink
