DJs and producers
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- Meeklo0
Never Djd in my life, never owned a single record, but I have been producing since 95
- acescence0
the problem i have with digital sources is the quality of the high end- it's really sharp and painful at high volumes, especially on systems with horn loaded tweeters. vinyl is smoother in the tops and doesn't sound like a serrated knife in your ear drum.
- komkrktprod0
i hear those new fangled digital mixers can cut those crazy frequencies to taste.
Anyone have experience with this?
- Meeklo0
the problem i have with digital sources is the quality of the high end- it's really sharp and painful at high volumes, especially on systems with horn loaded tweeters. vinyl is smoother in the tops and doesn't sound like a serrated knife in your ear drum.
acescence
(Jul 13 06, 13:02)Vinyl limits he audio frequencies you hear, kinda limiting for producers or audiophiles, Djs on the other hand will rant for hours about how its sounds way better with all those clicks and frying bacon sounds...
:)
- acescence0
Vinyl limits he audio frequencies you hear, kinda limiting for producers or audiophiles, Djs on the other hand will rant for hours about how its sounds way better with all those clicks and frying bacon sounds...
:)
Meeklo
(Jul 13 06, 13:08)well... yes and no. many audiophiles still prefer the "warmth" of vinyl over CDs. a good cartridge can reproduce frequencies up to 22kHz, which is 2k above the upper limit of human hearing. it just kind of "rounds" it off a bit.
- Meeklo0
well... yes and no. many audiophiles still prefer the "warmth" of vinyl over CDs. a good cartridge can reproduce frequencies up to 22kHz, which is 2k above the upper limit of human hearing. it just kind of "rounds" it off a bit.
acescence
(Jul 13 06, 13:21)That was before SCD and DVD audio came out.
7.1 surround sound 192 kHz in 24bit.
you confuse audiophile with people that prefer to listen to vinyl. it's not the same.
Michel Jarre (clasical trained, electronic music pioneer) who has been producing audiovisual shows since the late 70s. recently decided to re-release a lot of his early work the way he had envisioned it originally when he was being limited with the recording mediums at the time.
- khilled0
it's stil a subjective creative world when it comes to sound quality and fidelity. technically anything is possible and basically perfect in the digital world but their is no replacement for a unique sound from vintage gear or a personal peice of technology you've used a lot...even software have their own sound.
- Meeklo0
it's stil a subjective creative world when it comes to sound quality and fidelity. technically anything is possible and basically perfect in the digital world but their is no replacement for a unique sound from vintage gear or a personal peice of technology you've used a lot...even software have their own sound.
khilled
(Jul 13 06, 13:37)I agree with you..
I'm not saying wich one is better, but to me an audiophile is the person that enjoys listening to high resolution audio. And vinyl is not.A lot of my friends are Djs and the rather hear music from vinyl wich I respect (I have no preference myself, I rather make my choice regarding content not medium) but I understand this happens because an "emotional" connection it exists with the analog sound. not fidelity, not resolution :)
- flavorful0
I like the acapella version of Lundi de Bleu more than with the beats, harps and electronic goodness behind it.
Now tell me how does that feel?
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I got nothing.
- flavorful0
A lot of my friends are DJs, so I've dabbled quite extensively over the past 10 years of my life.
I say dabbled, because I'm awful. I never put any time into the art, just whenever I have time.
I love it though, I love everything about it, whenever I'm behind the wheels I feel great.
Sometimes at parties and functions if they aren't paying attention, I'll jump behind and throw on 'Grindin' as I believe it is the only song I know how to blend/mix in appropiately into almost any song in existence.
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They usually only let me get on the microphone and tell jokes though, haha.
Which are usually less funny than me trying to juggle.
- acescence0
but I understand this happens because an "emotional" connection it exists with the analog sound. not fidelity, not resolution :)
Meeklo
(Jul 13 06, 13:44)it's not purely an emotional thing though. there's a reason why, if you step into any high end recording studio, they are still using mic pres, eq's, etc., from the 60's and 70's, myself included.
- kinetic0
on just about all the production forums most broke-ass producers using stolen software ask the same questions ... how to get the analogue warmth into their sound without buying valve tube compressors
- Meeklo0
it's not purely an emotional thing though. there's a reason why, if you step into any high end recording studio, they are still using mic pres, eq's, etc., from the 60's and 70's, myself included.
acescence
(Jul 13 06, 13:56)I have been to recording studios many times in order master my own music, or collaborate with other musicians. Regarding compressors/ microphones/ amps / distortion gear, or even analog synths (as oposed to AU/VST ones) bring a specific character to the track, (same thing happens with sampled based music) but that is another thing.
Roland RE-150 / NS-10s / etc are still used today on many tracks in order to add character and subjetivity to a track, (portishead roads for example) but that has little to do with high resolution audio.
"Audiophiles widely share the belief that even the world's best music-reproduction equipment currently falls far short of this ideal."
someone said earlier that in order to make dnb, you need to spend 1200 in studio gear.
I do not agree with that, I still preffer my home studio speakers rather than expensive close range monitors, because I already know how my sistem sounds in an out, I know it's flaws, I know that over powers my lows, and I know how to over come it on the production stage in order to make it sound right.
That doesn't mean they sound better than pro monitors, I just prefer their sound over high end ones. :)
- Meeklo0
on just about all the production forums most broke-ass producers using stolen software ask the same questions ... how to get the analogue warmth into their sound without buying valve tube compressors
kinetic
(Jul 13 06, 14:04)Arturia plug ins do a really good job, while it might not be exactly the same, (specially for someone that has been using an arp2600 their whole life) is as close as you will get, and of course more accesible...
when ableton live started supporting midi, I stopped using hardware, my drum machine is now holding papers and collecting dust, I refuse to sell it because it was one of my first babies, but honestly, I don't think I turned it on in at least a year.
- khilled0
i love collecting digital audio stuff, free sampler mix cds from djs, weird incomplete mp3s off the internet anything, i add vynle pops to loops made from artifact ridden noise but ultimatly i'm a musician and i gotta make it as maluable as mossible, like hands on and real...that's music
- komkrktprod0
meeklo what kind of drum machine you got homie?
- Meeklo0
roland 303
:)
- emphor0
a 303's not a drum machine.
- acescence0
but that has little to do with high resolution audio.
Meeklo
(Jul 13 06, 14:17)but i think those focused on ever higher bit depths and sample rates are a subset of what i would define as the audiophile, which is one who is simply obsessed with the reproduction of sound. i liken that subgroup to the weight weenies of the bicycle world, or those that sacrifice the feel of the ride in the name of reducing the weight to an absolute minimum. great reference monitors have that wow factor when you first lay ears upon them, but they're actually quite fatiguing for long periods of casual listening. among my engineer friends, the most sought after gear is loved for the musicality of it's flaws. anyway, i digress. you've got some good points, meeklo.
- acescence0
oh gear for sale gear for sale.
i've got a 909 for sale, if someone wants to make me an offer? serious inquiries only, please.
also an e-mu e4xt with maxed out RAM and a hard drive. i'll even throw in an adaptec pci scsi card.
and an oberheim matrix 6r. any takers?
and a roland mc202. that's actually a really cool little machine, especially if you like whale sounds.
and lastly there's an sh101 in grey up on the block. unfortunately, i don't have the keytar neck extension for it.
oh and this is a longshot, but an adat xt? super low miles. it can expertly hold a door open for you.